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Old December 26th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #321
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cannot really give proper credit, because this was posted in a gaoloumi QQ group chat. The user who posted it is called 风声 however.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 01:53 PM   #322
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Old January 9th, 2014, 10:32 PM   #323
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Old January 10th, 2014, 02:03 AM   #324
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Old January 10th, 2014, 03:17 AM   #325
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Shanghai ahead in China free-trade zone race, eclipsing Qianhai, Hengqin

City's proposal overshadows similar plans for Qianhai in Shenzhen, Hengqin island in Zhuhai and Guangzhou's Nansha

Shanghai is pulling away as the clear leader in the race to set up free-trade zones on the mainland, casting a cloud over the future of other areas, such as Qianhai, that were clear favourites before and had the blessings of top government officials.

The speed at which Shanghai has dusted off plans to become a test bed for bigger economic reforms, including full capital account convertibility for the yuan, has caught market watchers by surprise even as Qianhai, in Shenzhen, pressed ahead with a charm offensive to attract companies and banks to set up shop within that zone.

The barren stretch of reclaimed land near the Hong Kong border is not alone in feeling the heat. The Shanghai proposal has also overshadowed similar plans for Hengqin island in the Zhuhai special economic zone and Nansha, in Guangzhou, which have also thrown their hats into the ring to become such zones.

"There will be competition between Shanghai and Qianhai in the long run, given both are targeted mainly at the opening up of financial services," said Liao Qun, chief China economist at Citic Bank International. "Shanghai has a higher starting point given the development of trade of goods, but in service trade, the Shanghai free-trade zone is also starting from almost zero."

A draft policy outlining reforms in Shanghai's recently approved free-trade zone could be released as early as this week, with its interim management plan due on September 27, the official Shanghai Securities News reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources. Plans for free-trade zones in southern China come at a time when the government is attempting reforms to rebalance its economy, shifting dependence away from manufacturing to consumption.

The proposed Shanghai zone will cover less than 30 square kilometres, while Qianhai, which has been dubbed a mini-Hong Kong, is about half that size. But it won't be size that matters, as what measures and incentives they offer will determine their success with investors. Focused on finance, logistics and technology and backed by the Communist Party, the proposed US$45 billion Qianhai Bay zone hopes to draw on Hong Kong's expertise.

But while Qianhai has struggled to attract Hong Kong property developers at its recent land auctions, media reports have outlined a slew of initiatives for Shanghai targeting shipping, insurance and health care, among others. The case for Shanghai is also not entirely clear, especially in its ambitious dream to operate as a fully liberalised trading hub for the yuan.

If authorities restrict the companies to conducting all their business within the zone, the impact will be very small, while if the freed-up financial services within this zone were accessible to any firm on the mainland, then it would basically have opened up its capital account, Standard Chartered analysts say. But one thing is certain. Shanghai hosts the country's markets, while Hong Kong is a global financial centre, and the competition will be between these two cities in the long term.

Norman Chan Tak-lam, the chief of the Hong Kong Monetary Authority, said last week competition among financial centres had always been fierce and would be even more so in the future.

"Excel and advance" or "stay put and be left behind!" he said.

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Old January 10th, 2014, 03:20 AM   #326
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Qianhai bypassed as firms head for Shanghai Free-trade Zone

While Hong Kong officials have been concerned about the impact of Shanghai's free-trade zone, it seems it is already stealing business from Qianhai.

Financial industry sources said several domestic and global firms that had originally planned to set up shop in Qianhai - the smaller special economic zone only an hour's drive from Hong Kong - were seriously considering the 29 square kilometre free-trade zone in Shanghai instead. China Taiping Life Insurance, one of the mainland's biggest and oldest life insurers, and China Petroleum & Chemical Corp (Sinopec) are among the firms rethinking their options.

The sources, who asked not to be named, said the two companies originally planned to set up a pension fund management joint venture in Qianhai but later decided to base it in the new Shanghai zone, which was officially launched on Sunday.

"The Shanghai free-trade zone has definitely attracted more attention than Qianhai from the financial industry mainly because people believe Shanghai gets far more high-level support and wider policy coverage than Qianhai," said one of the sources.

"The impact of Shanghai will be felt in the whole of China or even the rest of the world, but Qianhai's impact will be limited to Hong Kong-related businesses."

Senior executives at Taiping Life and Sinopec had several rounds of meetings with Qianhai officials, who invited them to pick Qianhai as home for their new ventures.

According to the sources, Qianhai officials recently told them the two companies might not be in a rush to set up their ventures there as they believed Shanghai would offer a more open business environment and wider industry access.

Just about a year ago, Qianhai, the 15 square kilometre special economic zone in Shenzhen, was named by the central bank as the testing ground for full yuan convertibility. Qianhai officials and the central bank have said Qianhai would focus on its financial ties with Hong Kong, which is already the biggest offshore yuan centre.

The creation of the free-trade zone in Shanghai has already led to questions about how different it would be from Qianhai as both the zones are to experiment with yuan-related reforms.

Analysts have also been wondering just how free the new Shanghai zone would be. On Monday, the government issued a "negative list" of sectors, including media and publishing and gambling, in which foreign entities will not be allowed to participate.

With the launch of the free-trade zone in Shanghai, which ANZ China chief economist Liu Ligang said would be "just another offshore yuan trading centre after Hong Kong that will compete with Hong Kong in some aspects", some analysts, investors and Hong Kong politicians have been getting increasingly concerned that Hong Kong's leading role in the region's financial industry may be undercut.

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Old January 10th, 2014, 03:23 AM   #327
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Don't have any high expectations on Qianhai, truth hurts.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 08:25 AM   #328
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Don't have any high expectations on Qianhai, truth hurts.
" The only real wisdom in the world is hindsight"

I wouldn't be making any predictions one way or the other until 2025 unless I had to.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 11:10 AM   #329
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Don't have any high expectations on Qianhai, truth hurts.

I would not bet on that one. In fact the Shanghai free trade zone did not have a huge impact until now.

http://shanghaiist.com/2014/01/09/wh...gordon-orr.php

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In early October, there was much speculation about the size of the opportunity after the State Council issued the Overall Plan for the China (Shanghai) Pilot Free Trade Zone (FTZ), and the Shanghai municipality issued its “negative list” of restricted and prohibited projects just a few days later at the end of September. For the FTZ, the only change so far appears to be that companies allowed to invest in it will not have to go through an approval process. As for the negative list, while there’s a possibility that Shanghai will ease the limitations, for the moment the list very much matches the categories for restricted and prohibited projects in the government’s fifth Catalog of Industries for Guiding Foreign Investment. This ambiguous situation gives the authorities, as usual, full freedom to maintain the status quo or to pursue bolder liberalization in the FTZ in 2014 if they see a need for a stimulus of some kind. On balance, I’d say this is relatively unlikely to happen.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #330
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This is China, 2025 is a long time. You sound like Gordon Chang, another self loathing halfie.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 03:06 PM   #331
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The competition will do them good.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #332
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I also doubt that it will get this huge....
Just watch this renders (they are a bit old):


On the other hand the renders which are shown at the construction fences are promising:
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And I know of 2 confirmed supertalls (Shimao and Qianhai Integrated Transportation Hub) and the project isn't very much developed (only one under construction and a few towers proposed).
Edit: Shimao launched the supertall, we cant confirm it
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Old January 10th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #333
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China is huge enough for Hengqin, Qianhai and Shanghai. That article is bullshit. in 20 years time, when China's economy will be over $50 trillion dollar, tens of Qianhai style CBDs will be needed.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:15 PM   #334
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I do wonder if there'll be tall towers in Shanghai's new zone, but this isn't the right thread to discuss that. Is there a thread on it yet?
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This is China, 2025 is a long time. You sound like Gordon Chang, another self loathing halfie.
I'm not self loathing...lol.

Just a worried that it might not turn out so good.

I was just posting some warnings, it's always good to analyze the risks.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #336
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People were worried about anything China possibly comes up with, including Pudong etc. It always ends up being a success. I'm no worried. I will PM you.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #337
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Old January 19th, 2014, 10:43 PM   #339
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Wow, very good progress!
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Old January 20th, 2014, 06:51 AM   #340
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China is huge enough for Hengqin, Qianhai and Shanghai. That article is bullshit. in 20 years time, when China's economy will be over $50 trillion dollar, tens of Qianhai style CBDs will be needed.
Yeah you are right it's typical disinformation, along the lines of ghost cities, empty airports etc. What can you expect from cynics?
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