NOTTINGHAM | Victoria Centre Expansion | £240 million 490,000sq ft (Pre-planning) - Page 6

PerfectDark · March 31st, 2011, 10:56 AM

Don't keep the footbridge! It blocks the view of a Watson Fothergill building, clear it out and make a square there so we can all admire it's beauty!

sherwood199 · June 14th, 2011, 11:13 AM

Looks like Capital are bringing forward plans to start the extension next year... also very interesting that they plan to redesign the clocktower entrance

http://www.thisisbusiness-eastmidlan...l/article.html

Bingethink · June 14th, 2011, 11:43 AM

It will be interesting to see what they say they'll get rid of to create a square round the clock tower. But whatever it is won't detract from the appalling shed they want to build backing onto Huntingdon Street.

sherwood199 · June 14th, 2011, 12:48 PM

Truly awful isnt it ;-( guess Capital are trying to sweeten it by doing something with the clock tower. Wouldn't imagine this would be very good either judging by their past efforts with the centre.

Makes me worry about Westfield though, if Capital bag the best tenants by starting early will Broadmarsh still be viable ?

Lears City · June 14th, 2011, 01:29 PM

I suspect that Nottingham is in no way big enough to support these two large scale retail plans and maintain a healthy shopping core in between. Don't forget the threat from online shopping too. Time will tell.

Ranwolf · June 14th, 2011, 02:29 PM

They could probably win me over by doing something interesting with the hole/tunnel area as opposed to just filling it in.

Bingethink · June 14th, 2011, 03:09 PM

Like what? When you're in the bowels of the Viccy Centre, you might as well be in an underground tunnel anyway...

iamtheSTIG · June 14th, 2011, 03:24 PM

cant they make the new extension more open? or atleast brighter (more natural light)

sherwood199 · June 14th, 2011, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lears City

I suspect that Nottingham is in no way big enough to support these two large scale retail plans and maintain a healthy shopping core in between. Don't forget the threat from online shopping too. Time will tell.

I do agree, if you look at this list of the largest UK centres then Victoria Centre would be approx 5th after extension and Westfield would around 16th.. This makes Victoria centre way to big and dominant I think...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ingdom_by_size

iamtheSTIG · June 14th, 2011, 03:43 PM

how big would broadmarsh after the extension be???

sherwood199 · June 14th, 2011, 05:02 PM

Think the current proposal is about 110,000m2

Bingethink · June 14th, 2011, 10:22 PM

The Victoria Centre will be holding a second public exhibition on the proposed extension to the Centre in June. Capital Shopping Centres Group plc, the owners of the Victoria Centre, have submitted detailed plans of the scheme to Nottingham City Council. This exhibition will allow local people to view these improvement plans, which have been refined after consulting widely with local residents, shoppers, the business community, and politicians. Come and meet the team at the public consultation on the upper mall of the Victoria Centre (by House of Fraser) on Friday 17 June from 10am – 5pm

Bingethink · June 14th, 2011, 11:05 PM

Some documents here: http://www.futurevictoriacentre.com/...ne%202011).pdf

Awful, awful, awful.

Bingethink · June 14th, 2011, 11:59 PM

HM Prison Victoria

John Lewis Leicester

Can you spot the difference?

Trent Student · June 15th, 2011, 12:25 AM

It just looks like a massive cardboard box, very closed and uninspiring. Isn't this the problem we have with the current broadmarsh shopping centre? On the plus side, it does fit in with the surrondings I guess.

Are there any artists impressions of what the Victoria Clock Tower redevelopment will look like?

Ranwolf · June 15th, 2011, 01:57 AM

This is essentially a northern gateway to the city centre and as such the council should request it delivers somthing more inviting and inspiring.

Stefan88 · June 15th, 2011, 02:18 AM

Trinity Square II. Those renders look bloody awful.

Lears City · June 15th, 2011, 09:19 AM

That is a shocker. So bad I might even write in and complain myself!

sherwood199 · June 15th, 2011, 10:52 AM

This is truly horrible from every angle. I guess post recession (??) the developers are more constrained by costs but this is just a bad joke!

Interesting comparison with Highcross, the VC extension is slightly larger yet over £100M cheaper, sadly therefore no Foreign Office architecture for us.

The owners of the centre have just bolted on eyesores over the past 20 years which have made the centre look worse (hard to imagine I know). Look at the Next extension or the John Lewis roof extension – awful! Guess this shows what they think of Nottingham and what we should expect from the extension.

I worry this is really bad news for Notts, not only is it cheap and nasty but it would be the size of Meadowhall and would completely dominate the City centre. There is a fine balance at present and this needs to be maintained. Lets hope the council grow a pair and throw this out.

iamtheSTIG · June 15th, 2011, 11:22 AM

Westfield have been bashed for years now, and have finally got theyre plans right. Cant the council do the same with this? Or is it the fact that it will gain easy money? Cause in 20-30 years time, this will be horribly dated, (it already looks it to me tbh).

If they made it abit more open, it could attract more developers to the North/Eastside of the city.

June 14th, 2011, 11:43 AM	#103
Bingethink Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,537 Likes (Received): 10	It will be interesting to see what they say they'll get rid of to create a square round the clock tower. But whatever it is won't detract from the appalling shed they want to build backing onto Huntingdon Street. __________________ "There's a Harvey Nichols in Leeds that everyone goes on about as if that's the answer to something." *Mark Corrigan: Peep Show Series Five, Episode Three*

June 14th, 2011, 01:29 PM	#105
Lears City Look there, look there! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Leicester Posts: 5,871 Likes (Received): 9	I suspect that Nottingham is in no way big enough to support these two large scale retail plans and maintain a healthy shopping core in between. Don't forget the threat from online shopping too. Time will tell. Last edited by Lears City; June 14th, 2011 at 02:40 PM.

June 14th, 2011, 03:09 PM	#107
Bingethink Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,537 Likes (Received): 10	Like what? When you're in the bowels of the Viccy Centre, you might as well be in an underground tunnel anyway... __________________ "There's a Harvey Nichols in Leeds that everyone goes on about as if that's the answer to something." *Mark Corrigan: Peep Show Series Five, Episode Three*

June 14th, 2011, 10:22 PM	#112
Bingethink Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,537 Likes (Received): 10	The Victoria Centre will be holding a second public exhibition on the proposed extension to the Centre in June. Capital Shopping Centres Group plc, the owners of the Victoria Centre, have submitted detailed plans of the scheme to Nottingham City Council. This exhibition will allow local people to view these improvement plans, which have been refined after consulting widely with local residents, shoppers, the business community, and politicians. Come and meet the team at the public consultation on the upper mall of the Victoria Centre (by House of Fraser) on Friday 17 June from 10am – 5pm __________________ "There's a Harvey Nichols in Leeds that everyone goes on about as if that's the answer to something." *Mark Corrigan: Peep Show Series Five, Episode Three*

June 14th, 2011, 11:05 PM	#113
Bingethink Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,537 Likes (Received): 10	Some documents here: http://www.futurevictoriacentre.com/...ne%202011).pdf Awful, awful, awful. __________________ "There's a Harvey Nichols in Leeds that everyone goes on about as if that's the answer to something." *Mark Corrigan: Peep Show Series Five, Episode Three*

March 31st, 2011, 10:56 AM	#101
PerfectDark Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 723 Likes (Received): 1	Don't keep the footbridge! It blocks the view of a Watson Fothergill building, clear it out and make a square there so we can all admire it's beauty!

June 14th, 2011, 11:13 AM	#102
sherwood199 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Nottingham Posts: 617 Likes (Received): 18	Looks like Capital are bringing forward plans to start the extension next year... also very interesting that they plan to redesign the clocktower entrance http://www.thisisbusiness-eastmidlan...l/article.html

June 14th, 2011, 12:48 PM	#104
sherwood199 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Nottingham Posts: 617 Likes (Received): 18	Truly awful isnt it ;-( guess Capital are trying to sweeten it by doing something with the clock tower. Wouldn't imagine this would be very good either judging by their past efforts with the centre. Makes me worry about Westfield though, if Capital bag the best tenants by starting early will Broadmarsh still be viable ?

June 14th, 2011, 02:29 PM	#106
Ranwolf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nottingham and Berlin Posts: 386 Likes (Received): 0	They could probably win me over by doing something interesting with the hole/tunnel area as opposed to just filling it in.

June 14th, 2011, 03:24 PM	#108
iamtheSTIG Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NOTTINGHAM!!! The Best City In The World Posts: 1,037 Likes (Received): 53	cant they make the new extension more open? or atleast brighter (more natural light)

June 14th, 2011, 03:43 PM	#110
iamtheSTIG Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NOTTINGHAM!!! The Best City In The World Posts: 1,037 Likes (Received): 53	how big would broadmarsh after the extension be???

June 14th, 2011, 05:02 PM	#111
sherwood199 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Nottingham Posts: 617 Likes (Received): 18	Think the current proposal is about 110,000m2

June 14th, 2011, 11:59 PM	#114
Bingethink Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,537 Likes (Received): 10	HM Prison Victoria John Lewis Leicester Can you spot the difference? __________________ "There's a Harvey Nichols in Leeds that everyone goes on about as if that's the answer to something." *Mark Corrigan: Peep Show Series Five, Episode Three*

June 15th, 2011, 12:25 AM	#115
Trent Student Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 192 Likes (Received): 0	It just looks like a massive cardboard box, very closed and uninspiring. Isn't this the problem we have with the current broadmarsh shopping centre? On the plus side, it does fit in with the surrondings I guess. Are there any artists impressions of what the Victoria Clock Tower redevelopment will look like?

June 15th, 2011, 01:57 AM	#116
Ranwolf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nottingham and Berlin Posts: 386 Likes (Received): 0	This is essentially a northern gateway to the city centre and as such the council should request it delivers somthing more inviting and inspiring.

June 15th, 2011, 02:18 AM	#117
Stefan88 New Nottingham! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 11,709 Likes (Received): 15	Trinity Square II. Those renders look bloody awful. __________________ Stefan's flickr

June 15th, 2011, 09:19 AM	#118
Lears City Look there, look there! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Leicester Posts: 5,871 Likes (Received): 9	That is a shocker. So bad I might even write in and complain myself!

June 15th, 2011, 10:52 AM	#119
sherwood199 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Nottingham Posts: 617 Likes (Received): 18	This is truly horrible from every angle. I guess post recession (??) the developers are more constrained by costs but this is just a bad joke! Interesting comparison with Highcross, the VC extension is slightly larger yet over £100M cheaper, sadly therefore no Foreign Office architecture for us. The owners of the centre have just bolted on eyesores over the past 20 years which have made the centre look worse (hard to imagine I know). Look at the Next extension or the John Lewis roof extension – awful! Guess this shows what they think of Nottingham and what we should expect from the extension. I worry this is really bad news for Notts, not only is it cheap and nasty but it would be the size of Meadowhall and would completely dominate the City centre. There is a fine balance at present and this needs to be maintained. Lets hope the council grow a pair and throw this out.

June 15th, 2011, 11:22 AM	#120
iamtheSTIG Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NOTTINGHAM!!! The Best City In The World Posts: 1,037 Likes (Received): 53	Westfield have been bashed for years now, and have finally got theyre plans right. Cant the council do the same with this? Or is it the fact that it will gain easy money? Cause in 20-30 years time, this will be horribly dated, (it already looks it to me tbh). If they made it abit more open, it could attract more developers to the North/Eastside of the city.

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