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Old April 6th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #1
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Birmingham Transport | Midland Metro | Birmingham City Centre Extension Phase 1 | U/C.

i few photos of the hundreds i have of a walk from dudley town to wednesbury ,were the new midland tram extention will run .
start at top of dudley town were the new tram stop will be .




dudley town were tram stop should be





enterace to dudley zoo car park ,tram will run down to join former dudley main line .





track to left heading towards great bridge and wednesbury tram to run this way .









dudley port low level was other side of the bridge , dudley port high level and main line on top of bridge in use .
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Old April 6th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #2
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part 2 dudley port to great bridge

part 2 dudley port to great bridge .

this part is well overgrown in places .































this road bridge carrys the main road from great bridge to wednesbury ,and is in need of some major reapairs
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part 3 great bridge to wednesbury

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Old April 6th, 2012, 03:15 PM   #4
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Wow brilliant effort!

Dudley MBC are still trying to get the other councils to take the metro seriously. It is still a joke that the nearest railway station is over 2 miles away from the centre and it take a good 1 hour 15 mins by bus to get to Birmingham.

I was asked to give comment on the extension last autumn. They are considering running the tram from the behind the Sea Cadets and Black Country Living Museum, down the Birmingham New Road to Coseley town centre, past Coseley railway station and on to the line at Bilston where it will connect to the existing line.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #5
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http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...16999,0.043473


Please feel free to draw on other routes, both officially proposed or your own.


I'm guessing the proposed line that has been published will be running along my drawn 'Old railway line 2?' route?
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Old April 6th, 2012, 03:42 PM   #6
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Ok, found a map to proposed route: http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/...=1832&sID=4992

Added it to my google map.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 04:53 PM   #7
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Great pictures Oldbury! It's nice to see some images of this route.

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I was asked to give comment on the extension last autumn. They are considering running the tram from the behind the Sea Cadets and Black Country Living Museum, down the Birmingham New Road to Coseley town centre, past Coseley railway station and on to the line at Bilston where it will connect to the existing line.
That's interesting, but I don't think it's a good idea. It would give a much better link to Wolverhampton at the expense of an easy service to Birmingham. For me the priority should be linking to the 'trunk route' at Wednesbury, and alternating services to Wolverhampton and Birmingham.

That Coseley route would be good be an extension built as the main route to Wolverhampton once we've got a half decent network in place though.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #8
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Hi,
the route you've marked "old railway line?" is the Wolverhampton and Oxford railway, and carries on further North from where you've put it actually joining the Midland Metro at Priestfield. Would be a perfect extension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,...ampton_Railway

The only obstacles are Oxford Way and an industrial estate.

Former stations at Bilston West (where the two islands are), Princes End & Coseley, etc
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Old April 6th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #9
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Super thread!

If we are lucky, the bridge might need replacing all together!
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Old April 6th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #10
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Brilliant thread Oldbury!Is it easy to access the old tracks? and can you walk along them all the way to Oldbury?
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Old April 7th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #11
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Cool thread - as this is in the construction section I assume it is for the city centre extension?
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Old April 7th, 2012, 05:26 PM   #12
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This is for the Wednesbury to Merry Hill extension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland...idge_Extension)

Not sure if it's under construction. Centro like telling us it's nearly here all the while but they've been saying that for years. According to this article it's been in planning since at least y 2000.

-- reading this article it appears yes, it is, sortof, in construction, in that some work has been done, albeit slowly. i.e. "reconstruction of the 50-year-old Tipton Road overbridge in Dudley." Depends on your definition of under construction...
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This is for the Wednesbury to Merry Hill extension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland...idge_Extension)

Not sure if it's under construction. Centro like telling us it's nearly here all the while but they've been saying that for years. According to this article it's been in planning since at least y 2000.

-- reading this article it appears yes, it is, sortof, in construction, in that some work has been done, albeit slowly. i.e. "reconstruction of the 50-year-old Tipton Road overbridge in Dudley." Depends on your definition of under construction...
True I suppose. I like your optomistic outlook. Should perhaps be for both extensions as the BCCE is virtually under construction
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I remember reading somewhere about planned metro lines and there being over 20, which can't have come down to lines on a map I guess. Wish I could find the actual plans with that, it would be interesting to see.

This image shows former tram lines in the West Midlands:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngham-1930.png
(Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Birmingham-1930.png)

Today's trams are a little more... bulky. They're more like light rail, like little trains, than these which were more like a double decker bus with the engine removed on rails.

Still, interesting the general big plan they seem to have in their minds, Centro:

Line 1 - Wolverhampton St Georges to Birmingham
Line 1 extension, Birmingham to Fiveways (the city centre extension is a shorterned part of this)
Wolverhampton loop (takes line 1 to Wolverhampton station)
Wednesbury to Stourbridge
A34 Birmingham to Great Barr
A45 Birmingham to BHX
A47 Birmingham to BHX via Fort Dunlop?
A456 - extension of the fiveways line, to Quinton
Wolverhampton and Walsall Railway (partially A4124) ("5W's")
Walsall to Wednesbury (part of ^, joining it up with Wednesbury to Stourbridge)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_S08lQmSbrH...TransitMap.png
(source: http://blog.tamias.co.uk/2009/11/mid...lly-to-go.html)

Is a map of this with more routes on it even.

I am particularly interested in the line shown going from Wolverhampton station, past the University, past the i54 and into a new station at Brinsford... odd, because the i54 is quite far out to the West, so I'm not sure what route this would take, unless they just don't show that sort of thing and drew a straight line anyway.
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I remember reading somewhere about planned metro lines and there being over 20, which can't have come down to lines on a map I guess. Wish I could find the actual plans with that, it would be interesting to see.

This image shows former tram lines in the West Midlands:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngham-1930.png
(Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Birmingham-1930.png)

Today's trams are a little more... bulky. They're more like light rail, like little trains, than these which were more like a double decker bus with the engine removed on rails.

Still, interesting the general big plan they seem to have in their minds, Centro:

A456 - extension of the fiveways line, to Quinton
Wolverhampton and Walsall Railway (partially A4124) ("5W's")
Walsall to Wednesbury (part of ^, joining it up with Wednesbury to Stourbridge)
Would like an M5 Park and Ride spur just off that motorway Quinton junction (lots of land there for mixed use too - potential commercial centre), linking up to BHX past Bearwood Bus interchange through town with little need to traverse the whole city by car or drive all that way around the motorway loop.
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This is for the Wednesbury to Merry Hill extension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland...idge_Extension)

Not sure if it's under construction. Centro like telling us it's nearly here all the while but they've been saying that for years. According to this article it's been in planning since at least y 2000.

-- reading this article it appears yes, it is, sortof, in construction, in that some work has been done, albeit slowly. i.e. "reconstruction of the 50-year-old Tipton Road overbridge in Dudley." Depends on your definition of under construction...
Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia. It's one of the most unreliable sources of information you can use. I'd ignore wikipedia for articles on subjects such as the metro and go visit Centro web site.

The overbridge was collapsing and couldn't take heavy loads.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #17
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Brilliant thread Oldbury!Is it easy to access the old tracks? and can you walk along them all the way to Oldbury?
ye if you want to walk it ,go the back of dudley car park just walk straight on down to were the old railway line was , either walk towards the tunnel and through (its long) and you coame out were blowers green station was . or walk all the way to wednesbury , from dudley onwards is ok untill you reach a fence across the line , but dont be put off theres a big hole in it, carry on till you reach the cannel ,you can off there. keep goining untill you reach the signal (photo) you can get of there too your by dudley port station. from there on is a bit tricky (no shorts thats for shure bit like a jungle in places but its only for about a mile ) but i walked it ,then you come to the bridge with the surports (great bridge ) again hole in the fence walk on ,next bit were the level crossing and signal box used to be,easy to get of there too .from there on its easy folks walk there dogs along the track all the way to wednesbury ,you will end up just short of wednesbury station was (is ) its still there but well over grown ,ive been on it ) you get off again through these nice holes folks seem to put in fences ? wednesbury great western st tram stop is just a short walk .

in total i took around 2000 photos ,because i now its all goin be ripped apart soon has them construction folks get in there .

i look forward to goin along there on the new trams .

have fun and pick a nice day
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So 5W route is still on track then, good news
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Old April 8th, 2012, 10:13 PM   #19
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ye if you want to walk it ,go the back of dudley car park just walk straight on down to were the old railway line was , either walk towards the tunnel and through (its long) and you coame out were blowers green station was . or walk all the way to wednesbury , from dudley onwards is ok untill you reach a fence across the line , but dont be put off theres a big hole in it, carry on till you reach the cannel ,you can off there. keep goining untill you reach the signal (photo) you can get of there too your by dudley port station. from there on is a bit tricky (no shorts thats for shure bit like a jungle in places but its only for about a mile ) but i walked it ,then you come to the bridge with the surports (great bridge ) again hole in the fence walk on ,next bit were the level crossing and signal box used to be,easy to get of there too .from there on its easy folks walk there dogs along the track all the way to wednesbury ,you will end up just short of wednesbury station was (is ) its still there but well over grown ,ive been on it ) you get off again through these nice holes folks seem to put in fences ? wednesbury great western st tram stop is just a short walk .

in total i took around 2000 photos ,because i now its all goin be ripped apart soon has them construction folks get in there .

i look forward to goin along there on the new trams .

have fun and pick a nice day
Cheers for the detailed answer, sounds like a great day for a photography adventure.
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When's work due to start?
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