Official Birmingham Airport (BHX) Thread 1

[JC82]

This is the proposed shorter runway that was ditched

[neon18]

Originally Posted by JC82

This is the proposed shorter runway that was ditched

Please could you let me know where you got this version from or have you got a full document version of it?

[Luke3000]

Is there any chance of a second runway again in the future or is it well and truly dead?
I guess not because it would have made sense to reroute the road in a tunnel.

[JC82]

Originally Posted by neon18

Please could you let me know where you got this version from or have you got a full document version of it?

I have a full pdf version. I could email it or share it on dropbox if you like

[neon18]

Originally Posted by JC82

I have a full pdf version. I could email it or share it on dropbox if you like

Yes please could you share it on dropbox, I also wanted to know was that the last 2nd runway proposal before being scrapped, it just that I also have a version of the 2nd runway proposal and I wasn't sure which was the latest one.

[JC82]

I've put the BHX info I have into a folder, hopefully the link below works

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/iv9f1ptc15ds2k1/JavGqVCsqT

As far as I can recall, "The Birmingham Alternative" was the last proposal the airport put out with a second runway before they redid the masterplan and went back to one runway.

[neon18]

Originally Posted by JC82

I've put the BHX info I have into a folder, hopefully the link below works

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/iv9f1ptc15ds2k1/JavGqVCsqT

As far as I can recall, "The Birmingham Alternative" was the last proposal the airport put out with a second runway before they redid the masterplan and went back to one runway.

Thanks mate!

[neon18]

Some big diversions making Birmingham look like a hub:

[JC82]

Originally Posted by Luke3000

Is there any chance of a second runway again in the future or is it well and truly dead?
I guess not because it would have made sense to reroute the road in a tunnel.

I should think it's highly unlikely that BHX will get a second runway. Gatwick is handling around 35 million pax a year on one runway and BHX currently handles less then a third of that number. I could look into the air traffic movement figures, but given the current political views on carbon emissions etc I'm still amazed that Manchester managed to get a second runway built in the late 90's...

[Hassaan13]

Originally Posted by neon18

Some big diversions making Birmingham look like a hub:

Hmm, any chance they'll convert those stands that the British Airways' are on into a pier/terminal and construct an airbridge from the international pier to make it accessible (a bit like at Gatwick)?

[hoody]

Originally Posted by Hassaan13

Hmm, any chance they'll convert those stands that the British Airways' are on into a pier/terminal and construct an airbridge from the international pier to make it accessible (a bit like at Gatwick)?

They had plans for a satellite pier a few years back. That is more likely that a second runway. Although I can't see it being a bridge like Gatwick. Perhaps more like what STN has?

Second runway I can't see happening. Not in my lifetime (I'm 29!).

Birmingham is going to need to see a marked increase in movements before that. Passenger movements are unlikely to satisfy that alone. So freight could be integral.

I wonder what impact the longer runway will have on EMA's freight business. Obviously they have the likes of major postal companies, but with the sheer volume of manufacturing in Greater Birmingham it has to be a tempting prospect.

[JayPeeDee]

Originally Posted by hoody

I wonder what impact the longer runway will have on EMA's freight business. Obviously they have the likes of major postal companies, but with the sheer volume of manufacturing in Greater Birmingham it has to be a tempting prospect.

And there is plenty of space at the industrial park next door for freight companies to open new warehousing...

[faddypainter]

BHX would never be attractive to large scale freight operations unless it could repeal its night flying quota limits. (which isn't happening any time soon)

[JayPeeDee]

Maybe with a longer runway there will be less noise and nighttime restrictions will be lifted to some degree?

[hoody]

Originally Posted by faddypainter

BHX would never be attractive to large scale freight operations unless it could repeal its night flying quota limits. (which isn't happening any time soon)

That sir, is a good point.

[world_rep]

Maybe with a longer runway there will be less noise

Can you explain how this one works? Genuinely intrigued, as surely an airliner makes the same amount of noise regardless, and you are not changing the location of either the runway or population centres?

[JayPeeDee]

Longer runway = reduced take off thrust = reduced noise. Pilot selects climb thrust after take off and outside airport airspace instead of using higher thrust throughout. Perhaps?

[world_rep]

Longer runway = reduced take off thrust = reduced noise. Pilot selects climb thrust after take off and outside airport airspace instead of using higher thrust throughout. Perhaps?

T/O thrust is always set to the same company ops requirement unless the runway is particularly short.

Now BHX's runway is longer, just means the aircraft could be up quicker but will make no difference to the houses in Marston green for example, as the aircraft will still be overhead.

[JayPeeDee]

Originally Posted by world_rep

T/O thrust is always set to the same company ops requirement unless the runway is particularly short.

Now BHX's runway is longer, just means the aircraft could be up quicker but will make no difference to the houses in Marston green for example, as the aircraft will still be overhead.

It was just a thought. Pilots/automated systems are still able to derate power for take off within the procedures of their company and as you state runway length is a significant factor in calculating whether the aircraft can depart on reduced thrust. It is routinely used on a daily basis on Airbus aircraft where the on-board systems automatically calculate the take off power required resulting in reduced engine wear and noise and lower maintenance costs.

Here is a short quote from a Wiki article:

For large aircraft, the required runway length is normally calculated before every take-off. The crew then calculates a lower-power engine setting where take-off will use most of the runway. Lower-power settings reduce both noise and engine wear and produce considerable savings in maintenance costs.

[Brum X]

Geeky again but has anybody played on the Birmingham airport flight simulater ???? Its well good, he he he

http://www.justflight.com/product/xt...am-and-bristol