Official Birmingham Airport (BHX) Thread 1

[world_rep]

but commercially I'd take a guess that the cumulative revenue earned from the parked up aircraft over the weeks/months may come to slightly more than a quick "splash and dash" from Singapore

Not if you believe the unofficial word, which is Ryanair are paying a big fat zero for parking them up. Hence why Ryanair are very selective as to which airports become their long stay aircraft park.

[30N]

Unofficial indeed.

I'm not party to the agreement, I imagine only the relevant people at BHX and Ryanair are but BHX is a business, with shareholders, and it is a business that has historically made a profit. It would be very surprising if this profit was made giving out freebies here and there, something BHX is not known for.

[world_rep]

Depends on the tactic used?

''Free parking or we are gone''

Wouldn't be the first time MOL has used the tactic.

[30N]

Maybe, but they've used similar tactics at BHX before over fees, even with the withdrawal of all but the Dublin service it didn't seem to work.

With Mr Kehoe's recent interviews accusing MAN of 'prostituting itself' back to Ryanair and BHX having a take it or leave it 'rack rate' it doesn't sound like the stance of a man who'd let 11 or so of his stands get taken up for a whole season for free.

[world_rep]

With Mr Kehoe's recent interviews accusing MAN of 'prostituting itself' back to Ryanair

Which isn't true in the slightest, but that's another debate.

BHX having a take it or leave it 'rack rate'

Too true, much to the detriment of new carriers. Iberia looked at BHX back when GLA/MAN were relaunched, but the fees at BHX were too much.

[faddypainter]

IB didn't last long at MAN and GLA though did it?

Slightly OT: Why is it so hard to find a decent one-way fare from BHX-MCO?

[world_rep]

IB didn't last long at MAN and GLA though did it?

Generally what happens when a flight is not advertised in any shape or form. People tend not to book flights if they don't know they exist.

[PSS1980]

Originally Posted by world_rep

Which isn't true in the slightest, but that's another debate.



Too true, much to the detriment of new carriers. Iberia looked at BHX back when GLA/MAN were relaunched, but the fees at BHX were too much.

Now that is annoying re IB !!, surely BHX must now look to lower fees and costs for carriers to use the airport more, this is whats holding the likes of Easyjet back

[world_rep]

this is whats holding the likes of Easyjet back

Im hoping the Belfast route proves well enough to add a few more non-based or W pattern routes. For easyjet, they say the economics do not add up to base aircraft just yet, but a non-based route could happen.

[Hassaan13]

What are BHX's landing fees/costs at the moment compared to other airports? Are they too high therefore keeping airlines away?

[world_rep]

What are BHX's landing fees/costs at the moment compared to other airports? Are they too high therefore keeping airlines away?

They are currently the 3rd highest in the UK. LHR 1st, LGW 2nd, BHX 3rd

When you consider LHR/LGW are almost at capacity, they don't need to be uber-attractive for business. BHX needs to drop by at least £10 to even think of competing with the likes of EMA/MAN/LPL/LBA on price.

[30N]

Too true, much to the detriment of new carriers. Iberia looked at BHX back when GLA/MAN were relaunched, but the fees at BHX were too much.

Yup, but not the first airline to recoil at BHX's prices and I fear will not be the last.

surely BHX must now look to lower fees and costs for carriers to use the airport more

I'm not saying I agree with the pricing structure but it's these fees and costs that go towards paying for new ATC towers, terminal upgrades, new piers and runway extensions.

[Hassaan13]

I think they would need to expand the 'domestic side' of the terminal a little bit, as well as a new pier. What do their landing charges stand at the moment? Many people have suggested that it is these high charges that turn airlines away from BHX.

Any talk of a service to Chicago as it was in the news a while ago?

[30N]

Originally Posted by Hassaan13

What are BHX's landing fees/costs at the moment compared to other airports? Are they too high therefore keeping airlines away?

Passenger fees.

BHX

A fee of £10.71 is payable per departing passenger from the Airport (excluding children under 2 years of age) on air transport aircraft movements including charter and air taxi aircraft.

MAN

Standard Rates
International Passengers
1 April 2012 to 30 April 2012 £5.09
1 May 2012 to 31 October 2012 £8.58
1 November 2012 to 31 March 2013 £5.09
Domestic Passengers
Up to and including 25 tonnes
1 April 2012 to 31 March 2013 £1.59
Over 25 tonnes
1 April 2012 to 30 April 2012 £5.09
1 May 2012 to 31 October 2012 £5,61
1 November 2012 to 31 March 2013 £5.09

Man also has various off peak reductions.

Runway charge.

BHX

5.1 Runway charges are levied on all departures and based on the Maximum Take-Off Weight of departing aircraft.

5.2 Standard Charge £9.71 per tonne or part.
The company reserves the right to apply a minimum tonnage charge, between designated periods of any day.
5.3 Noise Violation Surcharge i) Night Period (2330-0600 hours local time)
A surcharge equivalent to a runway charge will be levied against an operator should the night noise violation level of 87 dB(A) be exceeded on arrival or departure.
ii) Day Period (0601-2329 hours local time)
A surcharge of £500.00, plus a further £150.00 per full decibel over 92 dB(A), will be levied against an operator should the daytime noise level of 92 dB(A) be exceeded on departure.
A noise violation occurs when the above noise levels are exceeded at the noise monitors which are positioned at 6.5km from the start of roll. The Company reserves the right to amend or extend the noise control scheme at any time as appropriate.
5.4 Empty Positioning Flights The standard runway charge will be rebated by 75% (for ATMs only).
For aircraft operating an empty positioning flight as a replacement for aircraft unable to operate a service to or from Birmingham Airport by reason of technical/mechanical/operational problems, the standard runway charge will be rebated by 100% (for ATMs only).

MAN

Up to 25t
£5.58

Over 25t and
less than 120t
£6.86

Over 120 tonnes

First 120t
£6.86

Thereafter
£3.73

Applicable only for
aircraft achieving
the following QC
Ratings
All

Freight aircraft

Rate
£5.40

Again MAN has various off peak reductions.

Just two random selections, full lists are here.

http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...es&Charges.pdf

http://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/m...s-charges.aspx

[Hassaan13]

Originally Posted by 30N

Passenger fees.

So in eccence, BHX has much higher fees than MAN?

MAN have like £5.58 for 25 tonnes, and BHX have £9.71 per tonne. Do they need the fees for the runway extension/terminal expansion (despite the fact there aren't much terminal works going on at the moment)?

Also, does the Aviation Experience still exist?

[Brum X]

Originally Posted by world_rep

I see the Ryanair static display team bit BHX in the backside today.

SQ328 B777-300 had to divert from MAN, but BHX's 2 widebody remote stands were occupied by 2 Ryanair B737's, so he went to EMA instead!

However BHX is a business and i believe they do pay for the use of parking there aircraft at the airport, this will probably bring in more money than the one off divert from Singapore airlines.

[neon18]

Total Destruction of the Clock Garage on the A45 by Birmingham Airport


start of work on the new BHX runway extension itself

"New" Germanwings flying from Birmingham as of January! Lufthansa are merging and rebranding all of their regional arms (ie. Eurowings & CityLine) at all Non-Frankfurt & Munich hubs. Soo expect to see A319's (along with CRJ-900's) in this new LH based scheme...

[Brum X]

I like that Germanwings livery, nice and modern.

[Brum X]

United due to stop using the 757 on Transatlantic services in 2014, so will BHX be upgraded to the 767 or even 787 ??????

[faddypainter]

Have you got a source for that? I haven't heard of such a thing about UA. I was under the impression the 757's were staying for a long time yet on Europe flights.