Official Birmingham Airport (BHX) Thread 1

[woodhousen]

you are aware that ANYONE can access wikipedia and add information... there is not certainty of the accuracy of anything on wikipedia.

however, Hassan, youre enthusiasm is welcomed, but please can you calm down a little bit. yes this site is for the purposes of news and discussion, and my remit is to encourage that. however, i fear if your constant messaging on th same topics continue, you will start to discourage other people starting other discussion in this thread. i have already had to lock the old thread because of your intense dicussion between you and wirlie g, and it is my intention not to allow this thread to have the same fait....

...... please hassan, calm down......

[Brum X]

I agree, BHX should tell Armavia to P-ss off as they obviously have no idea on how to operate there airline and BHX does not need this kind of shoddy service.
R.I.P Armavia (Go back home)

[Hassaan13]

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[pug]

Woodhousen, I for one will be staying away from this thread for as long as it continues to be constantly propped up by fantasy. Both on here and other forums people have been trying to point things out to Hassaan only to be completely ignored.

I hope this thread sees a return of the more realistic and knowledgeable posters to make it interesting again.

[Hassaan13]

Woodhousen, could you also delete all my previous posts so I can make a fresh start?

Right, let's just continue the discussion on AI, forget all the previous posts.

It's a 3 weekly service on an A332, routing DEL-BHX, but the route is only being subsided [sic] by BHX. All is due to be confirmed later this month.

[Brum X]

Emirates have announced a 3rd daily flight commencing on the 1st May 2011
Eithiad have announced a 2nd daily flight commencing in 2011
Qatar have recently announced a 2nd daily flight

[Brum X]

It seems that Manchester airport is being taken over by the big three gulf carriers at the moment which does make the Air india question very interesting i suppose.
I mean will they start a daily service into Manchester now with all this extra capacity or will this make BHX a more viable alternative for them to start daily flights.
And what does this mean for expansion at BHX for the gulf carriers?????????

[Brum X]

The new Emirates 3rd daily flight at MAN will be operated by a A330 aircraft and depart at 09.30am

[woodhousen]

but the question is, all these flights have come as a consequence of eachother... and i cant help but feel to protect their passanger loads/market square.

the question is, who will win, and who will loose out.... whilst there is no doubt demand at MAN, i dont think even MAN think they can sustain 7 daily direct flights to the region (one of which being a A380)... i might be wrong but something will have to give soon enough!

[ultraviolet]

Apparently Air Canada looked at a Toronto-Delhi service with a stop at BHX en-route, that was back in 2005 I think it was, someone probably forgot to edit it.

I think the new Emirates morning service at MAN may be because of the freight capacity lost when they changed from a 777 to an A380, believe it or not the 380 capacity is alot smaller. Apparently tonnes of cargo is left behind each day or shipped to BHX or London if space is available, it's a huge money spinner. As for the other two, who knows what's going on. I still don't understand why BHX doesn't have Qatar at least 4 weekly, with their India connections the demand is there, maybe they just don't think they'll get the yields.

[Hassaan13]

Originally Posted by ultraviolet

Apparently Air Canada looked at a Toronto-Delhi service with a stop at BHX en-route, that was back in 2005 I think it was, someone probably forgot to edit it.

I think the new Emirates morning service at MAN may be because of the freight capacity lost when they changed from a 777 to an A380, believe it or not the 380 capacity is alot smaller. Apparently tonnes of cargo is left behind each day or shipped to BHX or London if space is available, it's a huge money spinner. As for the other two, who knows what's going on. I still don't understand why BHX doesn't have Qatar at least 4 weekly, with their India connections the demand is there, maybe they just don't think they'll get the yields.

I think the reason for Qatar not at BHX is probably because people think the airline going double daily at Manchester would mean there wouldn't be any aircraft left, or it would be affected and the airline isn't interested in BHX. I believe it is and yes, a 4 weekly would work, daily is too much to think of for now.

I know that report was back in 2005, but I still think a Toronto-Birmingham-India would still work. In terms of Emirates, I believe they would need to expand at BHX this year in some way. Either at the end of the year they add an A380 to the midday route or a third daily flight (after MAN) if demand warrants it.

These airlines are going to have to look at BHX soon.

[morestoreysplease]

I have a feeling the ADUG influence is helping MAN but in football, owners come and go...

[Hassaan13]

This interesting site explains a lot: http://www.airlineempires.org/index....=66&m=3&y=2011

One extract says

Construction work began earlier this week on a 1296 ft runway extension, which will increase the length of the airport's main runway from 8547ft to 9843ft, with an additional starter strip to provide a maximum takeoff run of 10,335 ft. Along side this, work on a new control tower commenced the same day, as a result of the increased airport land area.

The project is hoped to allow larger aircraft with greater payloads access to the airport, increasing the number of possible destinations that can be served. It can be noted that a number of carriers have previously expressed interest in BHX, to later decide against servicing the airport as a direct result of the payload restrictions that would be imposed. It is widely thought that Emirates Airline would upgrade one of their currently twice daily frequencies to an Airbus A380. Furthermore, there has been further interest from other long haul carriers, namely Qatar Airways and Singapore Airlines, to begin flights to BHX, once the runway extension is complete.

Earlier this year the airports other major project, the 'One Terminal' project was completed, linking both Terminals 1 and 2 into one mega terminal, in an effort to allow easier connections between flights. Construction on a new satellite pier to the north of the current terminal, aimed to complement the recent increase in capacity as a result of the new International Pier, is also planned and due to commence construction in 2012.

In terms of Air India,

t is believed however that Air India are currently planning an expansion back into other regions of the UK other than London, with flights to both Birmingham and Manchester now on the table. It is likely that Air India would be utilising the Airbus A330-200 on the route, should it commence. Until then however, the new service to Amritsar via Yerevan will certainly increase capacity on what is a very under served market.

This is great news, and I hope this runway extension is done in due time.

[Assa]

Out of interest, how does the new single terminal at BHX compare with other terminals around the UK in terms of passengers?

[Hassaan13]

Originally Posted by Assa

Out of interest, how does the new single terminal at BHX compare with other terminals around the UK in terms of passengers?

Well, combining passenger numbers from both terminals and hopefully getting 20 million passengers in the next few years, is BHX's goal.

It's not as large as the terminals of Manchester, Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted and Luton though.

Now, on this forum post: http://www.airlineempires.org/index....e-overlooked/:

WTAworld; About BHX, we do currently have a few TATL routes; CO to EWR, daily 752, TCX/Air Transat to YYZ, not sure on the frequency as it's a charter route, US did PHL on a 752 last year, but it's due to be restarted next year I believe, and we also have BY's charter flights to Sanford and Cancun, and a few other places in the carribbean.

I personally think AA to JFK or ORD would work, and I certainly think VS could do MCO more than the occasional mid summer once weekly flight too. In the long term as well, I can only hope that some of BA's 'overflow' traffic from
LHR comes here, so we may start seeing BA back at BHX!

That said, at least we've got pretty much a promise of seeing daily A380 service, so it isn't all bad!

Anyone have any more info on US?

[woodhousen]

as this isnt a thread that specialises in aviation, i have no idea why you think we would... why dont you join those specialist forums? or have you been banned from them already?

[blahblah]

Can I pls make a request?

I'm nowhere near as big an aviation/Birmingham Airport enthusiast as some who post here and some of the abbreviations you guys use quite frankly baffle me!

Can you please use big letters and crayons?

Ta muchly.

[Hassaan13]

Originally Posted by blahblah

Can I pls make a request?

I'm nowhere near as big an aviation/Birmingham Airport enthusiast as some who post here and some of the abbreviations you guys use quite frankly baffle me!

Can you please use big letters and crayons?

Ta muchly.

Here's some help:

Airlines

EK - Emirates
AI - Air India
PK - PIA
US - US Airways
CO - Continental Airlines
TCX - Thomas Cook Airlines
AA - American Airlines
EY - Etihad Airways
SQ - Singapore Airlines
QR - Qatar Airways
AC - Air Canada
T5 - Air Transat

Airports
YYZ - Toronto
MAD - Madrid
LIS - Lisbon
EWR - Newark
DXB - Dubai
MAN - Manchester
LHR - Heathrow
LGW - Gatwick
BHX - Birmingham
JFK - New York
ORD - Chicago
AUH - Abu Dhabi
DOH - Doha
ATQ - Amritsar
DEL - Delhi
NCL - Newcastle

If there are any i've missed out please tell me.

[chinapattern]

Looks as though La Romana has been dropped from the winter schedules meaning the seasonal flights will end this April. However Thomson have dropped this before and brought it back so who knows. Interesting to note that last year BHX had three flights to the Dominican Republic (Punta Cana, Puerto Plata, La Romana) which come the summer will be down to just Punta Cana.

I believe the gap in the long haul programme but will be replaced with an extra rotation to Bridgetown however the only long haul flights listed for the winter are Punta Cana, Montego Bay and Cancun. I’d have thought Cuba was a glaring omission.

November 4th will see a new service to Marsa Alam begin.

[chinapattern]

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