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Old December 14th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #1981
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From what I remember, the last time the city council expressed its views on the issue it passed a resolution to make the Saxon palace the new city hall (as currently there is none). But that was a few years ago and plans might have changed.

Besides, there is still the fact that the Ministry of culture is quite hostile to the reconstruction, and the city alone probably won't be able to fund it.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #1982
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yes they did that study and decided the palace would be a perfect city hall but then the original plans for Polish history museum were shelved and it under new EU funding criteria it is only possible to get funding for cultural investments where it involves historic restoration or reconstruction. I think that this is a logical choice in every way, the city hall could be on any empty plot along Marszalkowska next to a subway station, very convenient.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #1983
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is that cross for real?
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Old December 15th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #1984
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is that cross for real?
It symbolises one of the most important moments in the recent Polish history. In 1979 the newly elected Polish people John Paul II visited Poland. On the square in Warsaw he gave a speech, ending it with the historical words:

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And I cry—I who am a Son of the land of Poland and who am also Pope John Paul II—I cry from all the depths of this Millennium, I cry on the vigil of Pentecost:

Let your Spirit descend.
Let your Spirit descend.
and renew the face of the earth,
the face of this land.
These words helped to stir the opposition against communism. Only two years later Martial Law was imposed with heavier fights.





The cross stands on the place where the Pope held his mass.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #1985
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It's better than another deformed pope monument...
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Old December 15th, 2014, 06:14 PM   #1986
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Yeah, Poland needs more publicly funded crosses though.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 06:15 PM   #1987
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I think we are pretty high in crosses per capita already though.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 07:05 PM   #1988
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I understand that it was a great moment in Polish history but these crosses in public places/squares are just too much.
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Welcome to the Polish parliament



Even in decline, Catholicism is an important factor in the country's history and survival over the last 200 years. This cross in parliament comes from the coffin of a priest of the opposition who was killed by the communist authoroties.
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I think we are pretty high in crosses per capita already though.
I was being sarcastic
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Old December 15th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #1991
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This cross in parliament comes from the coffin of a priest of the opposition who was killed by the communist authoroties.
and to give the full picture...
It was hanged there illegally overnight by some fanatics (Tomasz Wójcik and Piotra Krutula) from non-existent nowadays party AWS. Smell after this party already disappeared but not the cross. It is there since then (1997) and is causing disputes and fights since (Polish parliament is according to the Constitution - not involved in any religion matter - well should be stating the law no matter what believes are).
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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:21 AM   #1992
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Poland is Catholic and it's a part of the culture. You can show crosses. Would you question islamic symbolism in muslim majority nations? Anyways, look at western European nations. I bet you now they wouldn't mind having a few crosses displayed here and there. I think most people understand what I'm trying to get at and I'll leave it at that.

On a side note, I think Poland's strong Catholic heritage is the reason why Latin cultures have always had warmer feelings towards Poland and Poles than other western nations.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 04:29 AM   #1993
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... but these crosses in public places/squares are just too much.
If the cross just popped up for no reason - then you are right.
But it didn't. It is there for a reason. A big reason. Warsaw itself is a monument - a living museum to a turbulent history - and this is just one glorious part. It commemorates the time a single man travelled to Warsaw and made 40 million people stand to attention which in turn helped to change a continent. This deserves a memorial. It's just a simple cross. I'm not religious - but I know when to honor and respect memorials for great events and great people. When I'm in Warsaw - I do not feel 'overwhelmed' by religious signs - I just feel it's history.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 08:08 AM   #1994
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This cross in parliament comes from the coffin of a priest of the opposition who was killed by the communist authoroties.
In another words, they dug out the coffin, opened it and took the cross. Just like Voldemort took the deathstick, wand of power and destruction. How symbolic.

I think It's time for some polish Potter to take this cross and throw it away. The story would be complete.
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It symbolises one of the most important moments in the recent Polish history. In 1979 the newly elected Polish people John Paul II visited Poland. On the square in Warsaw he gave a speech, ending it with the historical words:

Let your Spirit descend.
Let your Spirit descend.
and renew the face of the earth,
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People should have understood it more literally and instead of building the cross, reconstruct the damned Palace
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Old December 20th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #1996
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Ochota

Interbellum









Ministry of public works



State forest headquarters



State agricultural bank



1924





1925 - Student apartments



1927 - Housing being built





1928 - Post office being built on Poznanska/Nowogrodzka street



30's - Student apartments



1931



1934



1937



1954 - Kopińska hall



1956



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Old December 27th, 2014, 12:24 AM   #1997
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Three Crosses Square - a few nearby examples

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Old December 31st, 2014, 06:04 PM   #1998
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The densely tenemented historic city gives way to Ville Radieuse in the region of Grzybowska Street:





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