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Old January 30th, 2015, 09:52 PM   #2041
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Excellent films showing the density of built form in Warsaw in 1940 and those who live there now probably won't believe it:

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Old January 30th, 2015, 10:47 PM   #2042
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Warsaw - city of contrasts, but with amazing history & skyline
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Old January 31st, 2015, 06:58 AM   #2043
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Whatever one thinks of Nazi Germany, one has to admit that their Carl Zeiss Jena lenses were perfect
The leica cameras were quite good. after my father passed away I found one in mint condition wrapped in paper in his workshop. he never used it. gorgeous camera.
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Old January 31st, 2015, 03:53 PM   #2044
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Old February 1st, 2015, 11:43 PM   #2045
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I had a feeling I probably shouldn't have posted those. Anyway, let's not get into this too much. What happened to Warsaw is incomparable in the annals of history since the destruction of Carthage. No German or other city suffered such complete destruction.
Really, Carthage? I don't want to start a discussion but this is a ridiculous exaggeration.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 12:21 AM   #2046
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The complete physical, cultural and ethnic or human destruction of Warsaw is very comparable to Carthage although not sure how large Carthage was at time of destruction, some say up to 500,000.

Can't think of another European city that lost 60% of its people or 800,000 people and was destroyed 90% although the destruction of Stalingrad/Volgograd is very comparable in scale and the extent of human suffering while Dresden and Coventry were quite similar in terms of the cultural heritage destroyed. By this I don't mean to underestimate the human suffering in any place in Europe. But the brutal manner in which people were murdered in the Jewish Ghetto, Old Town Warsaw, Ochota and Wola Massacres is beyond comparison - a good book on this is Warsaw 1944 by Alexandra Richie. THis is why I say that in its totality the Warsaw experience is unique in the history of Europe and the world.

Certainly Germany in total did suffer a great deal of destruction, no doubt and it was indeed extensive including human suffering and death tolls.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 10:52 AM   #2047
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The complete physical, cultural and ethnic or human destruction of Warsaw is very comparable to Carthage although not sure how large Carthage was at time of destruction, some say up to 500,000.

Can't think of another European city that lost 60% of its people or 800,000 people and was destroyed 90% although the destruction of Stalingrad/Volgograd is very comparable in scale and the extent of human suffering while Dresden and Coventry were quite similar in terms of the cultural heritage destroyed. By this I don't mean to underestimate the human suffering in any place in Europe. But the brutal manner in which people were murdered in the Jewish Ghetto, Old Town Warsaw, Ochota and Wola Massacres is beyond comparison - a good book on this is Warsaw 1944 by Alexandra Richie. THis is why I say that in its totality the Warsaw experience is unique in the history of Europe and the world.

Certainly Germany in total did suffer a great deal of destruction, no doubt and it was indeed extensive including human suffering and death tolls.
That's true.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 02:30 PM   #2048
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The complete physical, cultural and ethnic or human destruction of Warsaw is very comparable to Carthage although not sure how large Carthage was at time of destruction, some say up to 500,000.

Can't think of another European city that lost 60% of its people or 800,000 people and was destroyed 90% although the destruction of Stalingrad/Volgograd is very comparable in scale and the extent of human suffering while Dresden and Coventry were quite similar in terms of the cultural heritage destroyed. By this I don't mean to underestimate the human suffering in any place in Europe. But the brutal manner in which people were murdered in the Jewish Ghetto, Old Town Warsaw, Ochota and Wola Massacres is beyond comparison - a good book on this is Warsaw 1944 by Alexandra Richie. THis is why I say that in its totality the Warsaw experience is unique in the history of Europe and the world.

Certainly Germany in total did suffer a great deal of destruction, no doubt and it was indeed extensive including human suffering and death tolls.
It's a shame that most of the people still don't understand. They complained about the status and appearance of our city, yet without knowing its history. After numerous invasions, the partitions and around 85% of the buildings being destroyed during World War II, and under the Communist influence for next 50 years, it is amazing how Varsovians contributed in rebuilding what was left of the old Warsaw. And still it is a great city, full of landmarks and tourist attractions.
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It's a shame that most of the people still don't understand. They complained about the status and appearance of our city, yet without knowing its history. After numerous invasions, the partitions and around 85% of the buildings being destroyed during World War II, and under the Communist influence for next 50 years, it is amazing how Varsovians contributed in rebuilding what was left of the old Warsaw. And still it is a great city, full of landmarks and tourist attractions.
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I couldn't have written it better myself. It's mostly western Europeans that would behave like this. Look at your cities first, I say.
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Interesting photos of "Dom mieszkalny PKO," a rather monumental structure overlooking the escarpment near ul. Bugaj, which looks quite modest by comparison today:













Source @ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Warsz...storia-ukryta/
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 10:11 PM   #2052
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massive and monumental and it is one building that I'm glad was not rebuilt.
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^ the quality of reconstruction in this area is extremely poor, unfortunately.
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plenty of room for infill though and conservators office has signalled it is open to new and appropriate development here.
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amazingly evocative images. what's really amazing is that judging by the scree of fresh destruction and fires lit by krowas (cows) this picture was taken by someone actually trapped inside the old town sometime after August 19, 1944 while it was being relentlessly pounded by this:



The first picture conforms exactly to the post war status and as rebuilt sketches:



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plenty of room for infill though and conservators office has signalled it is open to new and appropriate development here.
Modern infill will look ridiculous in this location.
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