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Old August 23rd, 2015, 02:44 AM   #2281
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what I am saying is that uniformity does not always constitute good urban design, it has become somewhat of a leitmotif of the new urbanism. I am slightly sarcastically alluding to the Dove campaign redefining beauty as applied to urban design. I think Warsaw has to work with the chaos it has inherited while improving the street for pedestrians. Maybe I am reacting viscerally to what I find is an often knee jerk negative assessment of Poland by Poles and just wanted to find out what is really so bad about these places that look bad can they actually be really interesting places to hang out in like some gritty brownfield sites. I agree the streetscape is lacking pedestrian-friendliness, but I'm talking about the whole visual scene and its many layers.

I'm not from Poland but my ancestors came from Warsaw.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 05:41 AM   #2282
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I'm not sure why you are so touchy about my assessment of the foreground of the image you posted. I've itemized my reasons to you upon your request and your response about the turbulent history of Warsaw, and your assessment of Toronto architecture, doesn't change my opinion. Frankly, if there is one thing that Warsaw has over Toronto, it's the presence of prefabricated concrete panels, not the other way around.

I was born in Warsaw and visited relatively recently and I am aware of the advancements to the visual quality of the city that some public and private investments have made. However, in my opinion, this image conveys a rather mediocre streetscape that is not representative of that advancement.

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You cannot discuss the quality/development of streetscapes in Warsaw without taking into account it's turbulent history. The only way you will achieve (what in your mind would be) perfect streetscapes is to flatten the whole area and begin from scratch - in one phase. Then Warsaw would look just like most other cities - like London - or Paris where everything looks the same. Boring. The reason I go to Warsaw for frequent weekend breaks is because I get stimulated by the city. Everywhere you look there is something different - done in a different way - either left over from pre-war or commi building being renovated or removed or being blended (or not) with new fancy or dull new build or a mixture of everything. The kiosk is irrelevant because it will be gone soon. You can't just bulldoze it now because you don't like it. It's someones business. The owner probably has another few years on the lease or wants to sell for a better price etc. Trees are trees. They will grow or will be replaced. Warsaw will always have it's chaos because that is it's character and soul. There is so much work to be done on Warsaw - and there are so many problems related to history - and there is a feeling of - where do we even begin? However - the rebuilding has begun and it will evolve slowly around it's chaos - to produce something unique and wonderful - something that will make it's people feel proud some day.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 11:09 AM   #2283
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Yes.

Specifically, I mean, the quality of the architecture / materials for the buildings in the foreground (on both the left and right hand side of the street), the quality of trees + the sporadic nature of the tree plantings, the lack of light standards, the small kiosk jutting out to the street, the pedestrian walkways, the poor state of the older buildings visible in the centre of the image.

The only thing redeeming about this is the fact that at least there is some consistency in the street wall.
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it does lack in uniformity aside from the street wall although there are some setback issues as well. I find however that this scene reflects an honest narrative of Warsaw's turbulent history, which I am starting to see as an endearing genius loci of Warsaw, especially now that it's being cleaned up and tamed somewhat and these "wyrwy" are starting to make sense and maybe provide some unique opportunities.

Certainly, the streetscape could do a lot more to unify the street and some features such as the ugly kiosk could use a more consistent palette of street amenities.
I'd say the biggest problem is that the new residential building doesn't keep the line. That is because it had to be moved back in order to keep the small kiosk with cheap alcohol or some stupid idea of the bureaucrat responsible for preparing wuzetka (decision on terms and conditions of investing in the plot).

That actually puzzles me more than the kiosk itself. The kiosk can be dismantled in 24 hours, the building will remain next 200 year / till the next Uprising (whichever comes first).

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I do agree wholeheartedly that the condition of the older kamienice is sad, but there are reasons for this that should be solved soon, it's not so much financial. We can't afford to lose anymore of these.
Remember that in this district of Warsaw (Wola) predominant "solution" of old kamienice problem is dismantling them
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 04:30 PM   #2284
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I'd say the biggest problem is that the new residential building doesn't keep the line. That is because it had to be moved back in order to keep the small kiosk with cheap alcohol or some stupid idea of the bureaucrat responsible for preparing wuzetka (decision on terms and conditions of investing in the plot).
I think it had to be moved back mainly because of the bus bay.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 05:36 PM   #2285
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According to the Economist "Summary of the Livability Ranking and Overview Warsaw" was in the top 10 most improved category, ranked at 64, which to me seems kind of low for a city in its category. I think they are comparing it with other smaller cities which have advantages with respect to infrastructure given size:

http://www.eiu.com/Handlers/Whitepap...iveability2015
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Old August 24th, 2015, 12:26 AM   #2286
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Another nice restoration on Three Crosses Square, this post war building itself is a socialist realist version (shortened) of a building by Antonio Corazzi built in 1832 and destroyed during the Warsaw Uprising:



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Is the actual square being revitalized?
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Old August 24th, 2015, 05:40 PM   #2288
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it has been given a facelift with some pedestrian and materials enhancements - asphalt substituted with granite cobbles, more trees, restored vintage light standards, benches/trash etc and a widened walkway along Nowy Swiat, and best of all bollards all around barring cars parking on sidewalks, a Polish tradition:

http://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa...#BoxLokWawLink
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Old August 27th, 2015, 07:01 PM   #2289
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Praga District Museum, housed in three of the oldest buildings in the district and now fully restored, opens September 19th.

http://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa...-przemocy.html











in this older picture we see the new creativity centre that is nearing completion and that will also be partly housed in a restored building



this building in background still awaits renovation, hopefully the development will be a catalyst





these pics just show interiors without the exhibits that have already been largely installed



















building in the distance to the left with the arched parapet in the centre is under restoration currently



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Restorations:

This grand kamienica on Marszalkowska has apparently started restorations



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a few in the old town











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restored transformer in Praga district







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The tide may be turning, City of Warsaw has set a new precedent that will help restore its stock of surviving historic kamienice (townhouses) by giving them over to housing authorities to restore and turn into social housing. The first such project is starting in the historic right bank district of Praga:



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an amazing new tool to research or just find out more about heritage buildings and districts in Warsaw (available in English too). You can zoom in on any building and find out when it was built, when registered as heritage by just clicking your mouse over it:

http://www.mapa.um.warszawa.pl/mapaA...ervice=zabytki
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 11:29 PM   #2293
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Warsaw University's Auditory Building is being restored to its original 1825 glory along with interiors:

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Hopefully, they will change shape of windows like they show it on visualization :



Until now it was something like that :



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The Palace on the Water in Łazieki Park restored along with Orangerie, pathways, plantings and a few other buildings. The grounds look done and look spectacular, very neatly groomed with invasive brush and trees cleared to open up vistas and allow in sunlight, probably one of the most beautiful parks in Europe while some more restoration is going to be done on other palaces in the complex. I spent a good half day there and I even like the Chinese Garden, which does have precedent in the park. May not be to the taste of purists but the pavilions were beautifully executed with the best glazed ceramic tiles. A Dutch, Japanese and Modern garden are coming soon. I like this idea adding new accents with an educational role as long as the integrity of the main design is not compromised.

















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The Royal Summer Residence at Wilanow also is seeing completion of restoration works:













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Restoration works on Konopacki Palace (1860's) in Warsaw's revitalizing Praga district have finally started:



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And on the subject of restoring the honour of those brave individuals who stood up to the evils of communism the first group has been moved to a pantheon-mausoleum of honour in the Powazki Military Cemetary:

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Historic Library on Koszykowa gets a facelift and new innards:





















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Further restorations in Łazienki Park:

Pałac Myślewicki - interiors restored to original:













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