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Old January 31st, 2016, 06:22 PM   #2441
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and where in the world would you find more exciting urban contrasts, Warsaw's La Defense right behind the meticulously restored old town and historic city:



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^ beautiful photo, but in no way is Srodmiescie/Wola anything like La Defense, which was purpose built on the periphery of Paris.
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Exactly, Warsaw's downtown is much, much better.
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Exactly, Warsaw's downtown is much, much better.
I wasn't making a value judgement.
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I was just being sarcastic about La Defense. But when you say that La Defense was in the periphery of Paris versus Warsaw, it's not quite so as LD is only 3 km from L'Arc de Triomphe and in case of the Warsaw the Palace of Culture is 2 km from Castle Square. Not quite far enough, not planned really although the official plan that now exists promotes a cluster of towers in Wola further away from old town, besides UNESCO designation requires a certain cordon sanitaire around such features as the UNESCO-designated old town.
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 11:57 PM   #2447
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a few years ago I would have agreed with you, but this summer having spent an entire week traversing the city on foot in every direction, I must confirm that Warsaw does indeed have a coherence of its own, a syntax of forms (historic, historic stripped, prewwII modernist and commie block) that keep repeating. along with its grand parks and boulevards it has an expansive grandeur that sadly is indeed interrupted by gaping holes in the urban fabric that still have not been filled. but now that so much infill has happened and so many corners rebuilt with nice landmark structures and on top of all that the streetscapes have been largely restored to order and for pedestrian comfort with new light standards and nice even paving throughout, it's a city I would definitely recommend as very exciting. the most glaring examples of that desolate and chaotic emptiness that warsaw was long known for sadly only exists at the east end of the palace of culture or parade square along with smaller pockets here and there especially in Wola, site of the Wola Massacre and more planned Nazi destruction. parks and squares are being cleaned up and revitalized but yes theatre square is still a parking lot, but so many other parks like krasinski are stunning now and even Uprising Square(plac Napoleona) has been cleaned up

generally the centre of the city s the worst because that was the site of the Nazis planned destruction. but you should check out the districts of Mokotow and Ochota which have some beautiful neighbourhoods. and there are so many streets that radiate off Constitution Square that are filled with mostly magnificent pre-war townhouses, but yes, more than half need some maintenance.

I truly don't understand the problem some people have with the old town. I understand if it's Polish people, they are very negative by nature, but the old town is very beautiful an very well maintained, that is, now it is. if either of you visit in the near future be sure to check out the Museum of Warsaw History housed in old townhouses, all original, will open by end of year.
I find Warsaw a most interesting city. If some dumb tourist (without any knowledge of it's devastation in WW2) visits there, expecting it be anywhere near like Vienna, Budapest or Prague then they will be disappointed. In fact even apart from the touristy "Old Town" (which I like anyway) I was surprised to find so many fine pre-war buildings, especially if you take the fairly long walk from the former Royal Palace along the Royal Way to Lazienki Park (possibly the most beautiful urban park I've ever seen). It would appear from SSC that there is much restoration work going on now so the city can only look even better when I next get to visit.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 01:23 AM   #2448
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and where in the world would you find more exciting urban contrasts, Warsaw's La Defense right behind the meticulously restored old town and historic city:



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La Defense Paris is a denser concentration of buildings, further set back from Paris central city and I do like the modern arch by that Danish architect name escapes me, it terminates the main allee that links with champs elysee, Tuileries etc very nicely. I think the Warsaw cluster is still developing , but it has a nice variety of some very unique structures and unique rooftops and spires that create a less of a single peak silhouette, more multi-peak. So just for comparison. And Warsaw has its own Tour Mont Parnasse that should not have been built so close to the old town like the Warsaw Sony Tower.

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I find Warsaw a most interesting city. If some dumb tourist (without any knowledge of it's devastation in WW2) visits there, expecting it be anywhere near like Vienna, Budapest or Prague then they will be disappointed. In fact even apart from the touristy "Old Town" (which I like anyway) I was surprised to find so many fine pre-war buildings, especially if you take the fairly long walk from the former Royal Palace along the Royal Way to Lazienki Park (possibly the most beautiful urban park I've ever seen). It would appear from SSC that there is much restoration work going on now so the city can only look even better when I next get to visit.
I was actually in awe of what the renovations at Lazienki accomplished, definitely best or top 3 urban parks in the world that I have seen or know of. Not sure if you've been this year, but if not next time you go you will have a very pleasant surprise. Krasinski Park restoration was also a big positive surprise. By next year Smigly-Rydz Park should have been substantially renovated esp. around the Sapper Monument. I never knew that you could get down to the park from off the Royal Way just along that street where the Sheration is.
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The Creativity Centre at 56 Targowa in Praga nears completion with the restoration of the historic fašade of this building from 1867:







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Senatorska Street infill - most recent new construction in the old town since the old city hall was rebuilt in the mid 90's on Teatralny Square:



there was a parking lot on the left since the war - the elevation worked out very well, a very nice street with engaging ground floor glazing and uses.



still not sure about the roof silhouette, a titch too massive, something is needed to break the mass.



Pre-WWI

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This time a more modern infill that fills in a gap in the streetscape along Nowy Swiat Street. I think it mediates nicely between the kamienica from 1820 on the right that survived the war intact and the socialist realist masterpiece in the left which was once the Communist Party Headquarters:





glad there are no blind walls and a mid-block connection was created for pedestrians.

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On the left you can see how this streetscape looked like up until WWII

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photo of the day - interesting contrast between old and new



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The building to the right is horrible and belongs far away from the "old" city centre
I thought Poland had more or less constructed the new buidlings in traditional architecture around Stare Miasto.
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There are many late-modernist buildings all around it but perhaps not in such a prominent location...
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Warsaw mishmash. At least there are attempts to reconcile modernist with traditional planning through awkward but interesting infill. And every empty lot reclaimed from dereliction is a plus that adds life to the city. It is what it is, absolut Warsaw



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The building to the right is horrible and belongs far away from the "old" city centre
I thought Poland had more or less constructed the new buidlings in traditional architecture around Stare Miasto.
You've overreacted my friend. This building could've been a lot worse. It really doesn't look that bad in pictures. At least they tried to blend it with the surrounding architecture. I understand the pre-war structure there was not very interesting.
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Warsaw under construction.

Urbanista, you will like this.

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The restoration of the Dekert side of the Old Town Market Square nears completion with unveiling of restored elevations:

Kamienica Falkiewiczowska, Rynek Starego Miasta 28





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Kamienica Kazubowska, Rynek Starego Miasta 30



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Kamienica Baryczkowska, Rynek Starego Miasta 32



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Kamienica Kleinpoldowska, Rynek Starego Miasta 34



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Kamienica pod Murzynkiem, Rynek Starego Miasta 36





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Kamienica Talentich, Rynek Starego Miasta 38





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Kamienica Gagatkiewicza, Rynek Starego Miasta 40



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Kamienica Montelupich, Rynek Starego Miasta 42





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I agree. That building is awful
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