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Old May 6th, 2011, 05:48 AM   #261
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Kind of wished they'd have realized some of the buildings around PKiN - just for overall effect!
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Old May 6th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #262
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I do too and the other projects maybe, it would have given Warsaw a greater sense of order and some of these jumbled parts a sense of place although imparted with domineering Stalinist grandeur. Over time it would have loked more Parisian than Russian/Stalinist and really it would have been no more bold or authoritarian than what Hausmann did in Paris. Reminds me of the grand City Beautiful projects unrealized in Toronto because the Depression put a stop to it.

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Old May 6th, 2011, 06:07 PM   #263
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Yeah - I have unbuilt Toronto. It's a neat book. As for Warsaw, my biggest gripe is with the fact that it's just so jumbled. Nothing gets my blood going more than around ulica Bagno, where there are those three green apartment blocks (1 light green, 2 slightly darker), then a 19th Century "city palace" and then those sex shop barracks (maybe they're gone now?) and then the jumble of architectural styles around the PASTa building. It's interesting to a degree, but order people! Same goes for the Za Zelazna Brama apartment buildings and their chaotic placement. One here, one there, none that face and/or organize street frontages.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 06:33 PM   #264
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chaos is the theme in Warsaw history, fragments of earlier surviving and reconstructed versions, incomplete iterations and the beginnings of new ones, taka jest nasza nieszczesna historia, but if you walk around srodmiescie poludniowe (south of Jerozolimska, east and west) you will see quite a lot of order. this is where a lot of old Warsaw surivived and of course stara ochota, stary mokotow. Wola is the most jumbled as this was where the ghetto was and it was entirely flattened without any hope of reconstruction, but if you walk up Chlodna and Grzybowska you will see a new order emerging, literally and figuratively....lots of new buildings that provide a street face and maintain a continuous street face, but the buildings of course are not as monolithic in appearance as in Paris of course. Also, check out the area north-east of Jerozolimskie and Marszalkowska, much more ordered.
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Saski palace and Saxon Gardens

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Post war Plans for reconstruction



















P. Pniewski's winning project from 1949, but unrealized



Another version of it

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Old May 6th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #266
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I love the idea of having the square framed!
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Old May 13th, 2011, 07:36 AM   #267
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Warsaw's millions of tons of post war rubble were either ground down and formed into new bricks along with an aggregate admixture; flattened into a kind of plinth as in the case of Muranow district's ruins or they were used as the base of Poland's first post-war national stadium:



Today - sitting on the ruins of old Warsaw, a new national symbol



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A view of Warsaw's newly emerging modern downtown

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Once again, well done!
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thanks, nice to hear from you again, should have more in a while, I've been very busy lately, so I try to throw in a few morsels when I can
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Here are a few odds and ends that were recently restored or about to be restored in Warsaw.

The Napoleon Monument

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Today

Napoleon might be a little unfamiliar with his surroundings





General Kosciuszko who fought in the American Revolution (for the Americans) finally came home









The sculpture of the Polish Husar is a new addition to Warsaw's landscape and can be seen at the Citadel



And soon to be returned to Warsaw after a long absence Aleksander Gierymski's portrait of a Jewish woman selling oranges that was looted from the National Museum in Warsaw during World War II by the Nazis was found recently in Germany. Last I heard it was being analyzed in Poland to ensure it is not a copy.

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General Pilsudzki who fought in the American Revolution (for the Americans) finally came home
You mean Kościuszko, don't you?
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ooops!, thanks for noting the error, and to think I'm named after him, shame on me
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Pre-war Chmielna/Zgoda Streets - Chmielna is a bustling commercial street once again that links upscale Nowy Swiat Street with Pasaz Wiecha that in back of all the big department stores on Marszalkowskwa and Bracka which connects to Plac Trzech Krzyzy and Mokotowska Streets where you'll find all the designer labels (Polish and foreign)







Post-war from the opposite direction



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Here are a few odds and ends that were recently restored or about to be restored in Warsaw.

The Napoleon Monument

Pre-War



Today

Napoleon might be a little unfamiliar with his surroundings





General Kosciuszko who fought in the American Revolution (for the Americans) finally came home









The sculpture of the Polish Husar is a new addition to Warsaw's landscape and can be seen at the Citadel



And soon to be returned to Warsaw after a long absence Aleksander Gierymski's portrait of a Jewish woman selling oranges that was looted from the National Museum in Warsaw during World War II by the Nazis was found recently in Germany. Last I heard it was being analyzed in Poland to ensure it is not a copy.

Why do Poles honor Napoleon?
What have you heard about the status of Saski Palace?
Also, the painting is in Katowice. It is on the cities museum website.
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Thanks for the udpate. Saski Palace is slated to become Warsaw City Hall once funds become available and both Saski and Bruhl Palaces will be rebuilt. However. the minister of culture is considering ignoring the results of the design competition for the Museum of Polish History and potentially housing that museum in the rebuilt Saski, a real cross-section of history and the square has been at the centre of Polish history although Ujazdowski Palace did actually house the king when the capital was moved from Krakow. I think this is a very good location as the site and its recently uncovered basements have remnants of buildings and palaces going back 6 centuries. Not so sure why Napoleon, didn't really do much for Poland, not sure he cared about Poland so much as power and I think his Polish lover convinced him to help Poland more than anything.
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Thanks for the udpate. Saski Palace is slated to become Warsaw City Hall once funds become available and both Saski and Bruhl Palaces will be rebuilt. However. the minister of culture is considering ignoring the results of the design competition for the Museum of Polish History and potentially housing that museum in the rebuilt Saski, a real cross-section of history and the square has been at the centre of Polish history although Ujazdowski Palace did actually house the king when the capital was moved from Krakow. I think this is a very good location as the site and its recently uncovered basements have remnants of buildings and palaces going back 6 centuries. Not so sure why Napoleon, didn't really do much for Poland, not sure he cared about Poland so much as power and I think his Polish lover convinced him to help Poland more than anything.
Interesting news about Saski. Going to hit the gym. I'll write more later.
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very interesting
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Interesting news about Saski. Going to hit the gym. I'll write more later.
Don't make me feel guilty, I missed the gymn too many times last week
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In regards to Saski Palace, I think it would be a fantastic idea to have the Museum of Polish History there. This would be a positive change. That has potential to become one of the premiere city squares in Europe. Can you imagine? A significant museum in a rebuilt palace, with cafes, etc. surrounding the square? It would be a great meeting place. As long as they are faithful to historical reconstruction then I will be happy.
I was never a big fan of the project that won for the Museum of Polish History. It was average.
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