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Old June 20th, 2011, 10:30 PM   #321
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I'm seriously LOL'ing at the above comment and my obviously humours post regarding the sketch and detailing of the bricks used in the rebuilding process.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #322
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Old June 20th, 2011, 10:46 PM   #323
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Oh mein Gott im Himmel, I've looked at the last 4 pages and so far I haven't seen ANY Silesians or anyone else for that matter complain about ANYTHING in this thread. So why are you bringing it up intervention? Can we PLEASE stay on topic.

P.S. My mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".
it's kinda of a Polish inside joke really, nothing nasty intended you would have to know our politics right now to understand what is really meant. I won't go on about it because it's creates an inevitable vicious cycle.

with all due respect Chadoh25, my friend, I think you might be getting carried away a bit and I would ask you kindly to remove some aspects of your above post to keep it nice. Be aware that Silesians are Poles, so intervention is referring to an issue that Polish Silesians even bitch about, the fact that parts of Wroclaw etc were dismantled to help rebuild Warsaw.

or is this really about two queens bitch slapping each other a bit

in any case, in case we didn't say it before, Dank für die Ziegel actually most of Warsaw's bricks were salvaged and they actually started making Gothic brick again in 1946 to meet Warsaw's needs.

Have you ever visited Poland or central Europe Chadoh 25?
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Old June 20th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #324
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LOL I just think he gets off on bashing Germans. I'm sorry if I reacted a bit strongly. My bad! I love your thread and I want to see it continued. And no, I haven't. But I'm going to Berlin/Eastern Germany this year or next.

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Old June 20th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #325
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I love that you visit my thread and I hope we can all keep dialoguing, unfortunately this is an emotional subject too that stirs up a lot of feelings no matter how it is presented...over time we will both work it out no doubt (Poles and Germans that is)
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Old June 20th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #326
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I love that you visit my thread and I hope we can all keep dialoguing, unfortunately this is an emotional subject too that stirs up a lot of feelings no matter how it is presented...over time we will both work it out no doubt (Poles and Germans that is)
I agree 100%. Didn't mean to be a bitchy Queen! LOL On a side note, my family once lived in Breslau (I can't remember the Polish name, sorry), athough this was way back in the late 1600 to early 1700s.

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Old June 21st, 2011, 12:16 AM   #327
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LOL I just think he gets off on bashing Germans. I'm sorry if I reacted a bit strongly. My bad! I love your thread and I want to see it continued. And no, I haven't. But I'm going to Berlin/Eastern Germany this year or next.

Absolutely not! I was referring to Polish Silesians (my parents grew up in Jelenia Gora). On a side note, Berlin is absolutely my favourite city in the world and I have nothing but fond memories and experiences to reflect upon.
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that's an interesting angle, you know you might be able to go through their archives and find some more clues. I recently found my grandfather and great grand father's birth certificate in Warsaw, which I thought would be hopeless and yet some portion was preserved. I now may even know where they are buried, but will find out for sure when I get there next week.
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Absolutely not! I was referring to Polish Silesians (my parents grew up in Jelenia Gora). On a side note, Berlin is absolutely my favourite city in the world and I have nothing but fond memories and experiences to reflect upon.
How dare you betray our long suffering grande dame of a capital for that pockmarked tart Berlin!!! Just kidding of course , I think Berlin and Warsaw are quite similar in many ways. I love the vibe in both places, although haven't been to Berlin in a long time.
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I think Warsaw has the building blocks to reach the calibre of Berlin eventually; and I don't mean symbolically, economically or culturally (in terms of built heritage) because they are quite different. I'm more so looking at this from the perspective of nurturing local art and talent and its ability to become a creative, dynamic hub like Berlin. I'm not suggesting Warsaw become a capital of starving artists but it has the capacity to eventually become a thriving, contemporary hub of culture. The recent investments in museums and programs related to events such as the European Capital of Culture for 2016 are important pieces there. I absolutely loved Warsaw for this and it's obviously Poland's hub, despite Krakow thinking it has an advantage due to its built heritage. For me, the biggest draw back is the lack of the "Berlin attitude," that is, tolerance and open-mindedness in general. It's starting but as a gay male it is not easy to live in Warsaw. And, the service standards ... I've never seen so many bored and rude waiters in my life
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I agree, the built form and cultural infrastructure are less of a challenge now than the culture I feel, but it has changed by leaps and bounds and changes year by year very rapidly...you may not know this but there is a very dynamic art scene in Warsaw on a high calibre but it is well hidden in some of the seedier parts like Praga on the right bank (like Soho and Tribeca in the 70's) and ijn commie blocks where rents are cheap. The alchemy for urban dynamism that Jane Jacobs talked about including density, mixed use and old buildings exists in Warsaw but they aren't generally warehouses but old kamienica and commie blocks. The city is finally permitting ground floor retail in many of its sacrosanct historic areas,which should further revitalize the city. I'm determined to cross the Vistula this time to find it I actually found Poland very tolerant in many respects, the gay scene is still recovering from that neo-fascist Kaczynski's tenure as mayor, although ironically he is known to be a closet homosexual himself. The gay scene and its denizens are uninhibited in a way that would make uptight passive aggressive Torontonians blanche, but I digress
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that's an interesting angle, you know you might be able to go through their archives and find some more clues. I recently found my grandfather and great grand father's birth certificate in Warsaw, which I thought would be hopeless and yet some portion was preserved. I now may even know where they are buried, but will find out for sure when I get there next week.
Were the German records preserved? I'd like to see were the verious member of my family lived. Some were from the East (Dresden and Breslau), but most were from the west. My mother's father's family, the Schuetz, now spelled Sheets and her mother's family, the Hahnawald's, now spelled Hanawalt, were from SW Germany and arrived in 1732 (Schuetz) and 1759 (Hahnawald). I don't speak Polish and my spoken German isn't the best. Will I be able to get there and if so, could I find anything. Also, if I had the time and money, I'd like to see Elbing and Danzig.

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Absolutely not! I was referring to Polish Silesians (my parents grew up in Jelenia Gora). On a side note, Berlin is absolutely my favourite city in the world and I have nothing but fond memories and experiences to reflect upon.
I like both Warsaw and Berlin. Sadly, a trip covering both cities is a bit out of my budget.

P.S. If it makes you feel better, Cleveland and Cincy are always saying Columbus screws them out of money. lol

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Were the German records preserved? I'd like to see were the verious member of my family lived. Some were from the East (Dresden and Breslau), but most were from the west. My mother's father's family, the Schuetz, now spelled Sheets and her mother's family, the Hahnawald's, now spelled Hanawalt, were from SW Germany and arrived in 1732 (Schuetz) and 1759 (Hahnawald). I don't speak Polish and my spoken German isn't the best. Will I be able to get there and if so, could I find anything. Also, if I had the time and money, I'd like to see Elbing and Danzig.
I'm sure the greater part of the archival German records in Wroclaw survived. If you ever get around to going, you can post any questions in this thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=607166

You're bound to get a number of replies in English, don't be put off that it's a Polish language thread., I think you would find it a very impressive happening city. Elblag is a place I would love to visit too, it has been undergoing a massive restoration along the lines of Dresden for better or worse. check out this link:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=486679

Gdansk is amazing....I would highly recommend it.

If you're on a tight student budget I believe the Erasmus program does cultural student exchanges
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Were the German records preserved? I'd like to see were the verious member of my family lived. Some were from the East (Dresden and Breslau), but most were from the west. My mother's father's family, the Schuetz, now spelled Sheets and her mother's family, the Hahnawald's, now spelled Hanawalt, were from SW Germany and arrived in 1732 (Schuetz) and 1759 (Hahnawald). I don't speak Polish and my spoken German isn't the best. Will I be able to get there and if so, could I find anything. Also, if I had the time and money, I'd like to see Elbing and Danzig.
You mean Wroclaw, Elblag and Gdansk.
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Thanks Rychlik, nice to see you back. That first sketch is known to me as the first panormaic rendering of what the post-war old town was to look like. It was done by an amazing visionary named Marek Krawczynski.

The other sketches I have never seen before....where did you find these?, would love to find more when I go this coming week and then post here. Amazing sketches, are they original? Feel free to add a few dollars worth of these my friend

btw, I will have Polish characters on all the names this week, sorry
Yes they are originals. From here: http://www.mhw.pl/mhw/homeen.jsp?pla...yout=0&lang=en
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Sylwester Braun was a Warsaw photographer and member of the Home Army during the war. He documented most of the Warsaw Uprising.
Braun was born January 1, 1909 in Warsaw. During Warsaw Uprising he made 3000 photographies of battles, portraits of people, destruction and everyday life in fighting city. Generally he was operating in Śródmieście district. After capitulation of Warsaw, he escaped from the city. In January 1945 he came back to take his negatives. After that he fled to Sweden, and in 1964 he immigrated to the United States. In 1981 he delivered archives of his photografies to Historical Museum of Warsaw. Sylwester Braun died in Warsaw in 1996.

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Some comparisons from Praga.

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thanks for those links rychlik, I'm going to make an appointment at the museum to see their archival photos, but I do believe it is closed for renovation/expansion.
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