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Old June 23rd, 2011, 03:45 PM   #341
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Those last sets of photos from Praga are interesting. I went to Praga when I was in Warsaw and walked around Saska Kepa, it's quite interesting in terms of design but overall it's not an architectural marvel of any sorts. The more interesting part is of course on Zakowska and on Brzeska but if you guys decide to take a stroll be really careful! The little dresiarze are cute but they are dangerous if you value your camera (...and in my case my life, ha).
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 06:27 PM   #342
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oh, did you try to chat up the dresiarze I try to look as tough as possible when I travel amongst the natives, like Chaz Bono and they leave me alone, maybe I'll do a few extra push-ups I think you meant Zabkowska.
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 07:04 PM   #343
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Yes, I did. I was thinking and typing too quickly. Zabkowska is quite interesting - but my friend that look us through the area (we drove around the MDM-style housing development called Praga II as well, where the chavs were) and on his advice we didn't do much walking there.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 06:38 AM   #344
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thanks for those links rychlik, I'm going to make an appointment at the museum to see their archival photos, but I do believe it is closed for renovation/expansion.
It is unfortunately.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 06:41 AM   #345
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Those last sets of photos from Praga are interesting. I went to Praga when I was in Warsaw and walked around Saska Kepa, it's quite interesting in terms of design but overall it's not an architectural marvel of any sorts. The more interesting part is of course on Zakowska and on Brzeska but if you guys decide to take a stroll be really careful! The little dresiarze are cute but they are dangerous if you value your camera (...and in my case my life, ha).
Hehehehehehehe- I rode through Praga in a tram. Was nice and has a certain old school charm. Lot's of new development going on in parts.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 12:51 PM   #346
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The commies were good for a few things, like here in Warsaw. What if the Americans and Britains captured Warsaw? I think the Americans would rebuild the city -modernstyle-, with glass and steel and not with bricks and tiles.
OK the commies were a diseas for other cities like Kaliningrad/Konigsbergen Nothing left of post-WWII Germany except for the Dom on the Kneiphof, which was still in ruins until 1991.
Warsaw has nice buildings, like the Church of Saint Anne's and the many streets full of old......nearly old buildings
I think some other buildings and things in Warsaw have to rebuild too, like the Saxon Palace. I thought there were plans to rebuild this palace...........
But still, Warsaw is one of the most interesting reconstructions ever done.

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Old June 26th, 2011, 06:44 AM   #347
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The commies were good for a few things, like here in Warsaw. What if the Americans and Britains captured Warsaw? I think the Americans would rebuild the city -modernstyle-, with glass and steel and not with bricks and tiles.
OK the commies were a diseas for other cities like Kaliningrad/Konigsbergen Nothing left of post-WWII Germany except for the Dom on the Kneiphof, which was still in ruins until 1991.
Warsaw has nice buildings, like the Church of Saint Anne's and the many streets full of old......nearly old buildings
I think some other buildings and things in Warsaw have to rebuild too, like the Saxon Palace. I thought there were plans to rebuild this palace...........
But still, Warsaw is one of the most interesting reconstructions ever done.

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Well said. I agree. It's the best reconstruction in Europe. I hear the Saxon will be rebuilt after 2012. That square has to be developed somehow. It's a great space.
You raise a very interesting question though. If the Yanks got to Warsaw first, Poland probably wouldn't have fallen into Commie hands. Poland would have been free. But would the city have been rebuilt in the way it was??? That's the 50 billion dollar question. I read in some west German cities that were free after the war, but damaged, the decision was made to go "modern".
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Old July 2nd, 2011, 12:09 PM   #348
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That's true, I think W Germans after the war wanted to forget the past and the heritage that reminded them of it. After a few generations now, times are changing and they are beginning to show a new appreciation for that pre-war heritage. In Poland on the other hand, heritage is respected but mostly interwar modern in Warsaw and elsewhere updated versions of heritage versus accurate reconstructions are the norm, like in Dresden. The current conservator of Warsaw is not a fan of exact copy reconstruction excpet in excpetional cases such as the Saski Palace, she abhors the falsification of history no matter how beautoful and valuable a building is...time will judge the wisdom of this approach.

Anyway I'm in POland, but my camera broke , so no pics until I find a new camera in Warsaw...any suggestions?
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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:16 AM   #349
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That's true, I think W Germans after the war wanted to forget the past and the heritage that reminded them of it. After a few generations now, times are changing and they are beginning to show a new appreciation for that pre-war heritage. In Poland on the other hand, heritage is respected but mostly interwar modern in Warsaw and elsewhere updated versions of heritage versus accurate reconstructions are the norm, like in Dresden. The current conservator of Warsaw is not a fan of exact copy reconstruction excpet in excpetional cases such as the Saski Palace, she abhors the falsification of history no matter how beautoful and valuable a building is...time will judge the wisdom of this approach.

Anyway I'm in POland, but my camera broke , so no pics until I find a new camera in Warsaw...any suggestions?

1- You make that conservator sound like a total bitch. When is her term up??!! Get her ass outta there! Now! You're saying Warsaw could've had more authentic reconstructions??

2- For a camera, try something cheaper for a couple hundred bucks. Not sure what you're normally used to.
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Brilliant reconstruction! Bravo, Warsaw!
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Old July 14th, 2011, 10:45 AM   #352
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Old July 14th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #353
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That last set was great! I wish they would have kept the original appearance of St. Alexander's Church on Three Crosses Square!
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That last set was great! I wish they would have kept the original appearance of St. Alexander's Church on Three Crosses Square!
Today's appearance is original :

1870 :





before first world war:



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Old July 15th, 2011, 01:44 PM   #355
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I do like the original from 1812 by Laigner, the later version from 1890's overwhelmed the scale of the square...hope to go back this week with my new camera...will never buy a Canon again....if all works out will post pics of Jewish and Christian cemetaries at Powazki...thnaks DocentX for keeping things going here while I'm away
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I am also so drawn to Warsaw for reasons I still can't divine, maybe it's because my ancestors are buried somewhere under those streets and they're calling to me, those spirits,
Prawie trzydziestka na karku a popłakałem się jak dzieciakOj człowiek się z wiekiem robi sentymentalny Dzięki za ten wątek Urbanista. Przeczytałem cały z wypiekami na twarzy Czekam na więcej.
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Old July 15th, 2011, 03:55 PM   #358
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Yes, I know the church is in its original state; I meant the pre-WWII variation. The current and existing iteration is quite plain and provincial. Perhaps once they fix up the square itself things will improve.
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They really need to rebuild this church. Its current look is way too plain for what it used to be.
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I know Urbanista1 mentioned he thought the older one overwhelmed the square; I would respectfully disagree as the new one looks lost in its surroundings (which, mind you, were expanded as the square's southern frontage was shifted further south - the building directly south of the church is actually the interior wing of the pre-war structure).
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