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Old May 10th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #741
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Got a response back from the City of Warsaw and UNESCO confirming that this matter will be investigated from both ends:

Dear Sir,



I acknowledge receipt of your email and appreciate your concern for UNESCO World Heritage. Your message will be reviewed by the respective section and subject to follow-up if deemed appropriate.

Again, we thank you for your interest in safeguarding World Heritage.



Kind regards,



Elisa Moros

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Old May 11th, 2012, 03:14 PM   #742
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Outrageous but, what would UNESCO have to do with this if only the historical centre was inscribed?
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #743
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As a signatory of the Venice Charter, Warsaw must also protect other historically significant areas, especially with registered buildings and structures along siginificant historic places such as the Royal Route. This is what I am hoping, we shall see. Warsaw is neglecting anything outside the deisgnated UNESCO area unless private investors wish to restore, and even then its an uphill battle to restore to original condition.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 05:53 AM   #744
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I found some amazing footage.

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Old May 14th, 2012, 08:23 AM   #745
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Amazing footage rychlik. I was stunned by the quality, thought it was a film re-enacting the Uprising...heart breaking as always, especially the part about welcoming Soviet soldiers afterwards, such naive hope soon to be followed by brutal soul crushing betrayal, which is what has forged the Polish personality today.

On another matter, the long-awaited opening of the restored original 13th Century Old Town basements is May 19th on the annual Noc Muzeow (Night of Open and Free Museums). The exhibitions in the basements will be ready in the fall, but there is still a lot to see. Some interesting finds include an exhibition of European coins from the middle ages from various countries that was found stashed away. Look for the ancient dog paw print in one of the bricks, an ancient latrine. There is lots to see in this huge labyrinth that spans 2 sides of the old market square.

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ul. Jezuickiej 4, Rynek Starego Miasta 28-42 (strona Dekerta), Rynek Starego Miasta 2, Brzozowa 11/13, Boleść 2.

The full article on this project in Polish:

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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #746
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Old May 14th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #747
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Great news Urbanista. I think those basements are very cool. Should be very interesting for tourists. I know Przemysl, Sandomierz and possibly another city in Poland have the same kind of underground maze.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #748
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Yes, there is a lot being said about Przemysl...and on a maybe smaller scale the basements of a 13th Century Dominican monastery have been restored and are to be reopened shortly in Gdansk.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:58 AM   #749
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Also, is it true they're thinking of creating underground jazz bars down there (in Warsaw) and opening cafes?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 07:13 AM   #750
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yes, all of that is coming in the summer and fall I suspect....heritage conservators move very slowly in Europe
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:46 AM   #751
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From 1948. Commies destroyed it in the '50's.
The action of demolishing many pre-war buildings that were only partly damaged and thus fit for reconstruction (mainly representing art nouveau/eclectic architecture) was planned and directed not by some "commies", but by well-known pre-war Polish architects. And, a lot of the destruction work was carried out by private-owned demolition firms (shortly after the war). True, the communist authorities despised "bourgeois" architecture of the late 19th/early 20th centuries, but neither was it appreciated in the pre-war period in Poland, when some demolitions and transformations (e.g., destruction of ornaments) were also done. Btw, neither was the architecture in question respected in Western democratic countries, and for a quite long time (some of it was demolished, for example, in Stockholm many years after WW2). To blame the communists for everything what was wrong in post-war Warsaw, is a misleading simplification of history.

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Amazing footage rychlik. I was stunned by the quality, thought it was a film re-enacting the Uprising...heart breaking as always, especially the part about welcoming Soviet soldiers afterwards, such naive hope soon to be followed by brutal soul crushing betrayal, which is what has forged the Polish personality today.
The footage shown is nothing new. All those scenes have been publicly known for many years - in black and white. Meaning, that the film has been recently coloured.

And, the scene of crowds greeting Soviet soldiers on streets shows the liberation of Lodz, not Warsaw. Both cities were taken by the Soviets long after the fall of the Warsaw Uprising, therefore, all scenes with Soviet soldiers have nothing to do with the Uprising anyway.

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Old May 25th, 2012, 08:18 AM   #752
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I like these pics by Polex showing the pre-war street line of Marszalkowska moved back to make way for socialist realist MDM centre and Plac Konstytucji:



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Anyone visiting Warsaw this summer should check out the sculptures, bas reliefs and mosaics that adorn the socialist realist buildings around Plac Konstytucji (at the southern end of Marszalkowska Street). Not just hard core socialist iconography, but some amazing folk motifs as well:















































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A fascinating film of pre-war Poland produced by the daughter of Marie Curie-Sklodowska. Krakow at 15 min and Warsaw at 23 min:

Pre-War Poland
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Very inspiring topic.
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Very inspiring topic.
No, this is Warsaw!
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Not pre-war, but the post-war very modern and well done stadium train station has been restored and updated. I refer to this style of architecture as Polish organic modern, very Polish, looks much better cleaned up:

Now THAT is creative. Even better than some of the invaluable trash built up all over the place that's called "modern" only to defend it from being torn down for horrendousness.
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Now THAT is creative. Even better than some of the invaluable trash built up all over the place that's called "modern" only to defend it from being torn down for horrendousness.
This is the train station in Warsaw! It is located at the National Stadium.

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Warszawa Stadion is a railway station in Warsaw, Poland, located in the district of Praga Południe close to the National Stadium. The station has two side platforms flanking the suburban tracks of the Warsaw Cross-City Line used by the regional trains run by Koleje Mazowieckie and Szybka Kolej Miejska. The station building was designed by Arseniusz Romanowicz and Piotr Szymaniak in 1955. It is also close to Stadion Narodowy metro station, which is due to open in 2013



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This is a great renovation! Love it.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 11:59 PM   #760
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New development at the corner of Zelazna and Grzybowska will include reconstruction of the iconic Warsaw ghetto buildings that were dismantled last year brick-by-brick, catalogued and warehoused in preparation for their eventual reconstruction:



This small factory complex has already been restored (don't have up-to-date pics)



New development with restored factory walls on the right hand side of the development:





Ground floor retail will help to revitalize street life in this area:

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