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Old March 29th, 2013, 09:25 PM   #1201
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Old March 29th, 2013, 09:48 PM   #1202
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Castle Square
I have never seen this. Picture from the 80's or 70's. What were the excavating??




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Old March 30th, 2013, 07:58 AM   #1203
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More Praga (Right Bank Warsaw) Pics



Restored cemetary - 1872 Cholera Epidemic



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Old March 30th, 2013, 07:10 PM   #1204
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More Praga

before I start this next section, would just like to thank janex wwa formally for his efforts in showing the many faces of Praga.



























this amazing old 1860's train shed was lost under the Warsaw conservator's watch - the developer built a new ersatz version of it and a condo building next to it.









the telltale signs of bullets speak of the conflict that raged in this area, but mercifully the area was spared destruction



























Nazi bunker from the war





















































the Praga Museum is located here now and nearing completion

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This monument stands on the site of the former Soviet era Prison No.3 known locally as "Toledo". In this prison members of the Home Army (Armia Krajowa) who valiantly resisted the Nazis, saved thousands of people including Jews from the various ghettos were tortured and murdered. This was done to eradicate any remaining elements of nationalism in Poland to ensure its subservience to the Soviet Union. One of the best known members of the Home Army, who was not interred in this prison was Jan Karski who in 1942 and 1943 reported to the Polish government in exile and the Western Allies on the situation in German-occupied Poland, especially the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto, and the secretive German-Nazi extermination camps.

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where once were vibrant streets communism brought decay and death, now they are slowly waking to their potential



communists couldn't provide food for the masses, but they had time to take a stab at stripping buildings of their beautoful details.















































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Old April 1st, 2013, 03:22 AM   #1208
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Kinda hard to see all those old buildings crumbling till they fall down on the street.....
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Old April 1st, 2013, 05:24 AM   #1209
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Praga Północ is known as the worst district in Warsaw but I'm not sure if this is the right place to post pictures from there since it wasn't affected by the uprising and it's not being reconstructed, rather many buildings will be probably demolished in the near future.
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I'm trying to focus attention on the need to restore this district before it's heritage attributes are lost forever. It did suffer war-time damage as evidenced by the pockmarked walls albeit superficial. The focus of reconstruction was left bank Warsaw, a policy of neglect that has impacted Praga with obvious effects. The lack of funds directed at an area that was habitable post-war can lead us to the conclusion that the war and the catastrophic damage of left bank Warsaw did lead to the neglect and decline of this district. Praga is as important to Warsaw's integrity as Buda is to the Budapest. This is a part of the reconstruction/restoration of pre-war Warsaw. Restoration and reconstruction are interchangeable terms as they apply to the name of this thread.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 11:04 PM   #1211
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The lack of funds directed at an area that was habitable post-war can lead us to the conclusion that the war and the catastrophic damage of left bank Warsaw did lead to the neglect and decline of this district.
Afaik it was a slum even before the war.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 06:51 AM   #1212
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But hasn't work picked up on a few outstanding buildings?
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 06:36 PM   #1213
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Yes, it was also extremely poor before the war. The idea that buildings were in an amazing state prior to is a bit of a false pretense, since many were in a terrible state to begin with. Same with quality of construction and materiality - many buildings were made of wood, for example.

Not that there is anything to take away from the gems among the rest. Frankly, having visited Praga I can say it definitely has a vibe but the quality of the built form in terms of state of preservation, style and merit varies greatly from building to building.
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Castle Square
I have never seen this. Picture from the 80's or 70's. What were the excavating??




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As far as I can tell, this is from when they regraded Castle Square. The foundations you see include some of the historic walls of the old city, which run under castle square and include a gate that stood in the area between Krakowskie Przedmiescie. Some of the lines are included in the current paving of the square and its gently sloping topography reflects the presence of the remnants underneath. Sigismund's column was also moved slightly on account of this.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 08:44 PM   #1215
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But hasn't work picked up on a few outstanding buildings?
Some parts of Praga, especially Old Praga (Stara Praga) and Targowa Street were relatively nice areas (you can see these outstanding buildings), definitely better than Lower Mokotów or Wola (both of these districts are today perceived as "better" than Praga - which is unjust).

Nowa Praga between 11 listopada - Wileńska - Szwedzka (nowadays sometimes called Bermuda Triangle) were the areas of quick transformation of 1930s developers (wooden huts -> 4-storey mid-standard blocks of flats). There were also poor and underinvested areas of Szmulki and very, very sad suburbs (Targówek). There were no large areas of semi-neglected rent-houses, because most of these rent-houses were 30-40 year-old. There weren't, say, 100-year-old buildings in Praga in 1939, because in 1839 most of Praga was made of wooden huts. And most of the buildings you can see on these photos were perceived as "good" or at least "average".

Degradation started in 1940, when plenty of buildings lost their (Jewish) owners, forced to leave their property and move to ghetto (in the left bank of the river). The process accelerated after 1945, when lots of buildings were expropriated and the new tenants arrived. Especially former predominantly Jewish areas are now of extremely bad opinion, because the former Jewish houses were re-settled by incomers from small towns of eastern Mazovia, often low-life, often criminals and so on. Typical way of house management in PL after 1945.

Hence the unofficial names such as Bermuda Triangle
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In the next section I will continue to highlight the desperate condition of Praga's historic building stock, the urgent need to raise awareness and more importantly funds and sweat equity to restore one of Warsaw's most authentic parts:



signs of bullet holes everywhere



more signs of how much communists cared about working people















infill like this abounds



time appears to stand still here



in Praga factories and residences coexisted cheek by jowl









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pre-war sign post



these kamienice are in the process of being redeveloped/restored











the vast complex of the Koneser distillery works are in the process of being restored and adapted for new uses and will include additional office and residential construction



some nice views - recent restorations



















social housing infill with a very clever mural - in the Warsaw tradition





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New Praga Museum





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interesting rooftop expression on an adapted histpric building



a Warsaw leitmotif - murals at end of row where once a corner building stood

















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I wouldn't mind seeing 2013 updates of the Praga district.
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Absolut Warsaw

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