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Old January 17th, 2014, 07:05 PM   #1461
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Restoration of Palace on the Water in the Royal Baths (Łazienki) Park





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Old January 18th, 2014, 02:20 PM   #1462
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The bas reliefs around Plac Konstytucji have been made by my Grandmother and actually the baby with the ball in his hands is my Father.
In Warszawa there are many more sculputers by Her and the babies are usually my Fathe like for example, "Flora" in Ulica Piwna.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...%B3w%20194.JPG

Your grandmother must be well known, what is her name? You say it's her sculpture and it's your father in this one above?....what is the meaning behind all these btw, am interested to know and what does bas relief mean?

The one thing that spoils it all is that rotten graffiti...they should all be caught and fined for that nonsense! Is there no cameras around there to catch these rotten scoundrels?

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Old January 18th, 2014, 06:30 PM   #1463
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Here is a complete list of the project team from Wikipedia:

Zespół projektowy

Autorzy – laureaci Państwowych Nagród Artystycznych I stopnia 1950 i 1952 r.:
Stanisław Jankowski
Jan Knothe
Józef Sigalin
Zygmunt Stępiński

Współpracownicy: Janusz Błażejowski, Irena Brygiewicz, Tadeusz Brygiewicz, Józef Bubicz, Lucyna Burdyńska, Leon Dębnicki, Jan Gosk, Jan Laube, Arnold Majorek, Aleksander Markiewicz, Lech Rogowski, Eleonora Sekrecka, Jerzy Stanisławski, Janina Szulecka, Tadeusz Szulecki, Pinkus Teitelbaum, Kazimierz Tor, Lech Załęski.

I am assuming that under wspolpracownicy one of the females might be our friend's grandmother.

bas relief is a type of flat sculpture that shows some contour but has a flat background incorporated into a building façade as in MDM.
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 12:56 AM   #1464
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Reconstruction of Royal Castle in 70's. Exterior appears to not have been stuccoed yet.



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Old January 25th, 2014, 06:29 PM   #1465
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During War






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the vertical structures on the right and also on the other side of the street are a monument ( A Footbridge of Memory) to this infamous bridge between the main ghetto and smaller ghetto. at night ghostly laser lights link the structures and at the base there is a viewscope where you can see images from the war period of the area around the structure.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 10:38 PM   #1466
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On the same theme, the ghetto streetcar has been restored. It seems that Warsaw's landscape is full of such souvenirs, but it isn't really and the vast majority of people have the present and future on their minds only. Frankly such reminders only reopen wounds unnecessarily, but as long as they have their appropriate place and time that's understandable so the living can go on with life. I find this one a little disturbing, tantamount to reawakening ghosts that deserve their eternal rest.



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Old January 27th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #1467
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If I am not mistaken, this tram is driving today empty through the city, since it is the 69th liberation day of Auschwitz. It is a symbol for those who perished, and aren't anymore here with us, i.e. the Jewish Community in its large numbers.
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yes exactly, thanks for further details, that's what I meant by appropriate time. it is quite disturbing seeing it in person, but we can't forget all those who innocent people who perished in that great disaster called WWII regardless of what nation they belonged to. It reminds us that peace should be maintained at all costs, even if the terms are not perfect.
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These photos, from the Narodowe Archiwum Cyfrowe via wawalove.pl, show the reconstruction of the Royal Castle from an atypical angle.





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On that same thread and wavelength, I was going through the NAC and found some interesting photos of the castle during the restoration that took place after World War I but before World War II (listed as 1933). The photos show the previous neo-classical ornamentation of the castle (seen in the foreground) and the "restored" look without the neo-classical ornamentation and a different roofline. I personally preferred the neo-classic ornamentation rather than the simple restored look referencing the previous period.

I wasn't aware of any such pictures in the past showing both on the building!

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there certainly were subtle differences, wish they had kept the interesting accretions over the centuries instead of returning it to a "purer" earlier from.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 06:32 AM   #1472
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Now that we are on the subject intervention raised can anyone spot the differences between the pre-war and post-war versions of these kamienice on the old market square:

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Plac Zbawiciela Reconstruction

The post war reconstructions around Plac Zbawiciela (Saviour Square/Circus named after the church in upper left in second image below) completely changed the character around this fascinating intersection that once had a finer grain of streets of many secessionist buildings.

The eastern side of the square had army buildings on the south side and luxury townhouses (kamienice) along the north side as well as two streets, Natolinska and Sluzewska, that virtually disappeared post war.

Area before WWII


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In the place of what had largely survived the war in this area, the communists decided to spend their energy - in a city where people lived in urban caves (the so-called Robinsons) for a decade after the war - demolishing intact buildings to build politically correct socialist realist neighbourhoods. And ironically the development straddling Wyzwolenia Allee, dubbed by Varsovians Latawiec for the kite shape it has from a bird's eye, was modelled after bourgeois Paris with a socreal touch. This is what happens when you mix ideology with common sense

Anyway, here it is the post war - one or two townhouses survives on the right but not for long:



Pre-war street layout:




During Construction





Today - to be fair the quality of construction and materials is superb.











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Sampling of intact buildings demolished and some street views:



















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Old January 29th, 2014, 11:58 AM   #1474
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In the place of what had largely survived the war in this area, the communists decided to spend their energy - in a city where people lived in urban caves (the so-called Robinsons) for a decade after the war - demolishing intact buildings to build politically correct socialist realist neighbourhoods. And ironically the development straddling Wyzwolenia Allee, dubbed by Varsovians Latawiec for the kite shape it has from a bird's eye, was modelled after bourgeois Paris with a socreal touch. This is what happens when you mix ideology with common sense
I don't know, where did you get this information? The whole area was fully burnt by Verbrennungkommando. About 10-15% of buildings were fire-proof and they might have been repaired indeed after the war. The rest of them (i.e. the most of what you've posted) where unfit for reconstruction.

The examples of buildings which might and should have been preserved:

Kamienica Tołwińskiego (which btw looked completely different than on the photo; the photo is from ca. 1904, whereas 5th floor was completely remodelled in 1920s and these nice sexy secession "superstructures" were dismantled. The building was burnt, but indeed it was fit for reconstruction, but istead the ruins were dismantled in 1946:



and also Kamienica Spokornego, burnt but carcass survived. Dismantled in 1946/47:
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The form and quality of construction of the housing development along Al. Wyzwolenia is very pleasant from a design perspective. The streets and landscaping are a welcome reprieve in this area, which aside from the area's parks, is quite "hard." The only thing that ruins the experience is the classic Polish parking ..... everywhere.
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Mruczek, according to BOS but also to according to eyewitness accounts post war in various books that I have read this area was indeed torched in part by flamethrowers, but because it is where the Nazis who systematically destroyed Warsaw lived many buildings were left intact. Post war many small demolition companies emerged who would report back to BOS that a building was beyond repair even though it wasn't really true just to get paid to demolish it, they didn't have the same appreciation for historic buildings we do. In this way many more buildings were demolished that didn't need to be. Also, this area was considered affluent and bourgeois so the new communist regime didn't quite care to preserve anything even though thousands were homeless. To be fair the south side of this area didn't have much
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The form and quality of construction of the housing development along Al. Wyzwolenia is very pleasant from a design perspective. The streets and landscaping are a welcome reprieve in this area, which aside from the area's parks, is quite "hard." The only thing that ruins the experience is the classic Polish parking ..... everywhere.
It is, but it leaves a lot of useless open space, huge setbacks, empty courtyards behind that don't really belong to anyone and this area has several huge city parks steps away such as Lazienki.
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It is, but it leaves a lot of useless open space, huge setbacks, empty courtyards behind that don't really belong to anyone and this area has several huge city parks steps away such as Lazienki.
I'm not quite sure if it's meaningless per se - in the context of this development, the streetscaping treatment is provided in an otherwise busy and dense urban centre that is congruous to a street and travel / desire lines. Aside from parking, people were using the space to walk their dogs and relax on benches etc. I would be hard pressed to say the same for the open space around "towers in the park" like those in the Za Zelazna Brama complex where it's truly "useless" or at least chaotically arranged.
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I'm not quite sure if it's meaningless per se - in the context of this development, the streetscaping treatment is provided in an otherwise busy and dense urban centre that is congruous to a street and travel / desire lines. Aside from parking, people were using the space to walk their dogs and relax on benches etc. I would be hard pressed to say the same for the open space around "towers in the park" like those in the Za Zelazna Brama complex where it's truly "useless" or at least chaotically arranged.
I see your point the buldings do atleast define a unique urban space that is useable and actual dziki parking has been tamed in this area as much as it can be. It's the areas behind this stand-alone urban design tour de force that look empty and forlorn where I'm sure new development will come in the near future. It was a shame that all the buildings that were there and could have been left were demolished in the interests of sanitizing the city ideologically but also environmentally providing more open space/air/light. CIAM ideology really ran amuck in districts like Za Zelazna Brama that you cite and that will be so hard to retrofit/repair.
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Mruczek, according to BOS but also to according to eyewitness accounts post war in various books that I have read this area was indeed torched in part by flamethrowers, but because it is where the Nazis who systematically destroyed Warsaw lived many buildings were left intact.
Nazis lived in so called Government District. It's closer to Aleja Szucha and in this area, true, some of the buildings were left intact and survived.

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Post war many small demolition companies emerged who would report back to BOS that a building was beyond repair even though it wasn't really true just to get paid to demolish it, they didn't have the same appreciation for historic buildings we do. In this way many more buildings were demolished that didn't need to be.
Basically it is true what you're saying, but it doesn't refer to Latawiec, rather to Centre North, where indeed some of demolishings were unnecessary.

Besides, most of buildings you've posted were not considered historic, they were mostly from 1870s-1900s. As such, they were not protected by conservationist office.

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Also, this area was considered affluent and bourgeois so the new communist regime didn't quite care to preserve anything even though thousands were homeless.
It doesn't change anything. Most of buildings in Latawiec were burnt skeletons and burnt walls. Even if some of them were fit for reconstructions, they were not fit for settlement of people, since they could fall apart at any time. Nb. some of them did, especially during large hurricane in spring 1946.
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