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Old April 2nd, 2011, 09:21 AM   #141
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Truthfully, I did not know there were additions to it. Do you know the reasons for it?
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 09:39 AM   #142
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well i don't know the reason, the transformation of buildings was a normal thing and usually depended on the current fashion, the will to manifest the achievement of an economic status or had an ideological character

i'm not an expert in the history of this particular church i just expressed an opinion based on an academic background, i'm sure there are many people on polish forum that can give you more details, here's an print from 1855 that shows the church before the enlargement that i found quickly on wiki:

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Old April 2nd, 2011, 06:02 PM   #143
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Wow, thanks for this.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 07:21 PM   #144
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the older version that currently exists is more aesthetically pleasing, but the later version had a greater scale that suited a city of this size, but it certainly did overwhelm the square it sits on...hopefully when Plac Trzech Krzyzy is renovated we'll make better use of all this new space finally.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 11:46 PM   #145
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Marszałkowska (under construction)

One of the most beautiful thoroughfares of Warsaw, after the war it was widened on the western side where all the beautiful beaux-arts buildings were torn town, many of which actually survived intact. The street got a grandiose socialist-realist makeover after the war and Warsaw's first modern skyscrapers were added in the sixties along with the iconic PKO rotunda at the corner of Marszalkowska and Jerozolimskie:

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Today - the banners are coming down and most of these buildings are now renovated, will get better photo.





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Old April 5th, 2011, 01:08 AM   #146
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Old April 5th, 2011, 01:26 AM   #147
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not sure if I understand?
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Old April 5th, 2011, 02:10 AM   #148
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Sorry, you like it or not, but I do what I want, everyone is free.
Actually, you're not! There are rules here and to me, this looks like trolling. It would be so nice if this thread, which I enjoy very much, didn't devolve into another thread dedicated to bashing Germans for something that happened many decades ago! The war is over folk, grow up and get the hell over it. Pointing fingers isn't going to change the past! Whats done is done, so lets get back on topic. BTW, the latest photos are very interesting! Thank you for sharing!
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Old April 5th, 2011, 02:49 AM   #149
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Thanks for your compliment about the site. It takes a lot of digging, but its interesting seeing how places change over time. If you have any photos you'd like to share of a relevant nature, feel free It would be great if all the emotionally charged comments in this thread could be removed as they do not represeent a very large silent majority in both countries who just want to get on with it - We all need to be sensitive of course. Cheers
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Old April 5th, 2011, 04:57 AM   #150
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Old April 5th, 2011, 05:19 AM   #151
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People, let's not argue. I am pretty sure Angelika is not a troll of any kind. At the same time let's not be overly sensitive over someones 2 cent contribution to a conversation.
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I agree, Angelika's comments are usually annoyingly optimistic and positive
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Old April 5th, 2011, 07:04 AM   #153
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People, let's not argue. I am pretty sure Angelika is not a troll of any kind. At the same time let's not be overly sensitive over someones 2 cent contribution to a conversation.
* rolls eyes* Maybe if people were alittle more sensitive instead of acting like angry children, the last Warsaw thread wouldn't have been close. One should be as sensitive as possible, otherwise this thing is going to quickly devolve into just another German bashing or Pole vs. German thread. After all, that is the reason TB closed the last one. Just my 2 cents.

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Old April 5th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #154
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anyway, lets avoid provocations from both sides and get on with the subject
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Muranow is located in part of what was the Jewish Ghetto created by the Nazis during World War II. This area along with Wola suffered the greatest damage in Warsaw, about 95% destruction. The surviving church of St. Augustine in a sea of rubble was an iconic image of Warsaw's war time destruction and today it still sits at the centre of today's Muranow. The district was rebuilt with a different street layout and mostly in the ideologically correct style of the day, classical formalism or socialist realism as it is known today.

Warsaw Ghetto Fighter's Monument



Aerial Before Massive Destruction gives you a sense of the density of the urban fabric, uniform building blocks, uniform cornice lines.

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The Museum of Polish Jewish History that is being built here may herald the renaissance of this neighbourhood and some of its Jewish character









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Great updates! Very informative! I'm usually not a fan of communist/socialist buildings, but some of those apartments look very nice! Are they equally as nice on the inside?
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Thanks. I will be taking a closer look at this area later on and will try to get some interiors if its worthwhile. Apparently even though the prevailing ideology of the time would suggest otherwise, a lot of the socreal and modernist constructions in post war Warsaw did not spare any expense on elegant/extravagant interiors. BTW, above is still under construction, lots more pics coming
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Warsaw could have been beautiful if they reconstructed all those old, beautiful buildings. Some of those commie replacements are enough to make your eyes bleed.
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socreal with a splash of paint looks very elegant but the plain box prefabs are horrible indeed especially when they are in prominent locations, really detracts from the look of the city. with enough greenery almost anything looks nice.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 08:16 AM   #160
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Ok, I cleaned up the little spat. Please keep ON TOPIC, and refrain from insulting one another. Would be a shame to close such an informative thread. Thank you
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