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Old July 19th, 2014, 06:18 PM   #1761
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Commies loved to demolish palaces, they did it in various Eastern European countries.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #1762
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sadly along with murdering or exiling the elites they had to destroy any evidence of their history....but the commies are gone now.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 07:22 PM   #1763
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I hope that in the not too distant future the city will restore the lawns and trees in front of the Great Theatre instead of having an ugly car park. I remember when I visited Warsaw a few years back I thought it was very bleak and unwelcoming outside this building.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 08:04 PM   #1764
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sadly along with murdering or exiling the elites they had to destroy any evidence of their history....but the commies are gone now.
They're not gone neither is their twisted destructive ideology, you'd be surprised how many sane people are still on the borderland of once again falling into that disturbing mentality. And most importantly, Poland is not purged of this scum, they still hold office in influential political positions.

Edit: Sorry, I got a bad habit of absolutely ignoring the topic at hand and spouting my own agenda, I need a timeout I'll keep quiet and reserve my contribution to the like button going forward I promise

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Old July 19th, 2014, 09:21 PM   #1765
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it's ok, we all need to vent every once in a while. I agree with the point you make in some part, and I can point some fingers too. Eventually these individuals will be weeded out. Poland has been a battlefield for too long and it has left lingering divisions, but people are slowly coming together, and realizing how important it is for the country to be strong and united, more time is needed. It will change. Having said that, I agree that accumulation of great wealth by a few is not good, there should be a more even distribution and an ideology (not communism imposed by a foreign entity) that supports it. A better distribution of wealth will make all Poles feel like they have a stake in the country, not that Poland is in any a way a glaring example of great disparities in wealth.
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Old July 20th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #1766
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Old July 21st, 2014, 05:22 AM   #1767
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 12:46 AM   #1768
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I think it was demolished for ideological reasons, the most sumptuous bourgeois palace and the Moscow didn't like that. There may have been other reasons such as technical ones of finding a new use for it, there were some plans to turn it into a consulate I believe.
In 1961 Moscow hadn't already care how the city centre of the capital of one of its fiefdoms (i.e. Warsaw) would look like (during Stalin, yes, it was the case). Obviously, it was hard to find the new use for Kronenberg (6 metres from the floor to the ceiling), French embassy was pondering about using it, but frankly speaking, it was mostly human stupidity that caused the Palace to be demolished. Plus the fact that the Kronenberg Palace was perceived as "too German" at that time.

Anyway, it's time to rebuilt it ASAP
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Old July 24th, 2014, 10:21 PM   #1769
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Restoration of Targowa 56, Praga - New Centre for Creativity, Praga Completion 2015
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The restoration includes the old annex in the rear and the construction of a new annex building is also foreseen.



March 2014 Status

























The creativity centre will continue the restoration of the oldest area of Praga around the Rozycki Bazar and the Old Praga Museum, which has been recently completed (includes the restoration of historic 18th and 19th century structures:

Old Praga Museum Praga Complete (Exhibitions not ready yet):











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Old July 26th, 2014, 12:16 AM   #1770
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History of the Site

1795: Royal Artillery Barracks by Stanislaw Zawadzki



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Post-war (1959 During Vice President Richard Nixon's visit to Warsaw):





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Old July 26th, 2014, 06:24 AM   #1771
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Warsaw in the mid fifties just after Stalin's "gift" the palace of culture complex is complete. We can still see ruins of 19th and 20th kamienice in the background before they are cleared to make way for high rise flats. Ironically most of these kamienice looked to be in "rebuildable" condition and actually had higher densities and of course created much better street conditions for pedestrians.



The eastern wall in the early 60's under construction, steel frame throughout so rare these days. Reminds me of Alexanderplatz in "East" Berlin.



Complete



The district nearly rebuilt with much larger monolithic built forms than pre-war:



more massive blocks for the capital of the newly minted authoritarian state





say what you will about Stalin, but atleast during his reign of terror buildings obeyed the context



The new central station was impressive and I'm sure Varsovians were proud of this facility that even featured escalators:



The Lubomirski palace and the massive Beyond the Iron Gate Complex



Strange the name of the complex does not evoke it's namesake, the ancient iron gate that was at the western entrance to Saski Gardens



more stark contrasts



sometimes old and new did mesh



not sure about here, you be the judge





the layout of these massive buildings did sometimes pay homage to the Warsaw tradition of the cour d'honneur



Dernier cri modernism meets shopping for the proletarians...too bad the shelves were mostly empty and there was never any meat



but the streets were full of people, the best measure of a healthy city even in an artificial communist state under occupation



we are so enamoured of everything historical and contextual these days, but I'm sure the people of the late 50's early 60's must have been thrilled to have these light and bright structures breathe fresh air into the compact and congested city of yore













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The squares of the rebuilt old town became parking lots as cars became a status symbol...and really the best way to get around.



A tunnel was built under the old town to separate people from cars as best as possible.



every lot where a building once stood became a parking lot



...even the old town market square



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Beautiful pictures of the era of reconstruction. Indeed for a lot of people those modern buildings must have looked very futuristic and positive.

I think it is a terrible loss for the urban structure of Warsaw that most of the kamienica where demolished, which started by the Nazi's and was later continued by the Soviets and Communist Poland. If you compare the urban structure of other Polish cities like Lodz and Krakow to Warsaw, it looks like the ring of 19th century buildings around the historical city centre is mostly gone.
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Beautiful pictures of the era of reconstruction. Indeed for a lot of people those modern buildings must have looked very futuristic and positive.

I think it is a terrible loss for the urban structure of Warsaw that most of the kamienica where demolished, which started by the Nazi's and was later continued by the Soviets and Communist Poland. If you compare the urban structure of other Polish cities like Lodz and Krakow to Warsaw, it looks like the ring of 19th century buildings around the historical city centre is mostly gone.
Perfectly sound analysis, but what you expect from the city, which sometimes is called "Modern Age Carthage"?
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Beautiful pictures of the era of reconstruction. Indeed for a lot of people those modern buildings must have looked very futuristic and positive.

I think it is a terrible loss for the urban structure of Warsaw that most of the kamienica where demolished, which started by the Nazi's and was later continued by the Soviets and Communist Poland. If you compare the urban structure of other Polish cities like Lodz and Krakow to Warsaw, it looks like the ring of 19th century buildings around the historical city centre is mostly gone.
yes indeed, the ring is mostly gone on the north and west side, but the south side is mostly intact and the east side across the river in Praga is fully intact and very gradually being restored, although the new subway stations will accelerate that process.
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Perhaps it's better this way. If you look at those cities (Łódź in particular) XIX century housing around the center is in the worst condition, low standards and social problems. Even in Warsaw XIX century pars that survived the war almost intact have bad reputation to this day.
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Perfectly sound analysis, but what you expect from the city, which sometimes is called "Modern Age Carthage"?
very true, but Carthage never rose out of the ashes. I remember touring the ruins of Carthage when I was in Tunisia years ago, quite a sight.

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Perhaps it's better this way. If you look at those cities (Łódź in particular) XIX century housing around the center is in the worst condition, low standards and social problems. Even in Warsaw XIX century pars that survived the war almost intact have bad reputation to this day.
it is more a matter of political decisions, because afther the war old buildings were not renovated and mainly occupied by poorest people you can find . That's why 19th century praga district in Warsaw and Łódź midtown was changed in a slum. By comparision you have cities like czech Prague, Budapest or Berlin - their 19th century districts were not changed in slum, even thou they were also not renovated much before 90s.
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