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Old October 4th, 2014, 12:48 AM   #1861
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Why don't they allow complete restorations?
In most cases, the complete restoration is not even being considered by an investor in the first place.
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Old October 4th, 2014, 12:54 AM   #1862
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strange because complete restorations are common throughout Poland especially Krakow, but to be fair nowhere in Poland did buildings suffer as much damage and no where were so many buildings stripped of their rich ornamentation usually in the 60's. So indeed it is very expensive to do a complete restoration from the brick walls outwards.
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Old October 4th, 2014, 01:17 AM   #1863
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In most cases, the complete restoration is not even being considered by an investor in the first place.
Kind of dumb in my opinion. Why not just do it right and restore a building faithfully.
In a city like Warsaw it would be very symbolic, a sort of "F*ck you" to the communist authorities of the past.

Who invested those beautiful restorations near Plac Grzybowski?
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Old October 6th, 2014, 07:15 PM   #1865
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Kind of dumb in my opinion. Why not just do it right and restore a building faithfully.
Probably because it's expensive and doesn't give return on investment

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In a city like Warsaw it would be very symbolic, a sort of "F*ck you" to the communist authorities of the past.
Yeah, sure, private owners are dreaming of nothing more but to say "F*ck you" to the authorities of the past
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Old October 7th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #1866
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I understand where rychlik is coming from and it would be nice to restore everything properly, but this is a new economic system and the best way to say **** you to commies is to live, build and be successful while living in peace with the world.
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I understand where rychlik is coming from and it would be nice to restore everything properly, but this is a new economic system and the best way to say **** you to commies is to live, build and be successful while living in peace with the world.
Well, again, symbolically I think it would have an impact. Can you imagine a whole street restored to it's former glory? The trick is to get investors who appreciate architecture.

Again I'll ask, who the hell invested in those restorations near Grzybowski? Mruczek, you know everything, don't you?

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It's an Austrian developer who also paid for the restoration of Prozna 12 that he does not own as well as restoring the street.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 02:10 AM   #1869
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Has to be one of the best restorations in recent memory.









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Yes it is, the second building on the left side is also finished and done nicely, not to the same level of refinement and the top floor was not yet rebuilt. I will provide pictures when it's all done.
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The nearly complete restoration of Prķżna Street in Downtown Warsaw is set to become the next pedestrianized street after Chmielna in midtown outside of the pedestrian-only Old Town. The street was originally restored in June and automobiles were allowed to park and drive there while the reconstruction of the main arteries of Świętokrzyska Street was being completed on top of the recently completed second metro line. Now that the latter streets are open, the street can become pedestrianized.

Prķżna 12 was recently restored leaving only the corner building to the left above as per rychlik's post.

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Number 12 nearly complete except for a few balcony railings:



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The administration of President Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz has done a lot to revitalize the public/pedestrian realm in downtown Warsaw. Many of us who have known Warsaw over the years remember how the city streets and squares used to be packed full of cars. Now we have a pedestrian Old Town, Chmielna and soon Prozna, a new pedestrian/bike priority thoroughfare along Swietokrzyska as well as a similar arrangement on Krakowskie Przedmiescie/Nowy Swiat and this is on top of the pedestrianization of Plac Powstancow (Uprising Square) albeit a little makeshift looking and soon Plac Malachowskiego (project ready) and Plac Trzeczh Krzyzy (Three Crosses Square) which has just started.

Warsaw Streets and Squares in the past, the heyday of the car:







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A narrow pre-war Świętokrzyska Street. Post war the street was widened, demolishing all the buildings on the north side and its most recent metamorphosis is just beginning:

Nowy Swiat to Czackiego



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Hoarding still surrounds the new subway entrances that should be opened in about 1 month



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Looking past Mazowiecka to Marszalkowska:



Pre war view looking towards Nowy Swiat, note the domed Poczta Polska building:



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The administration of President Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz has done a lot to revitalize the public/pedestrian realm in downtown Warsaw. Many of us who have known Warsaw over the years remember how the city streets and squares used to be packed full of cars. Now we have a pedestrian Old Town, Chmielna and soon Prozna, a new pedestrian/bike priority thoroughfare along Swietokrzyska as well as a similar arrangement on Krakowskie Przedmiescie/Nowy Swiat and this is on top of the pedestrianization of Plac Powstancow (Uprising Square) albeit a little makeshift looking and soon Plac Malachowskiego (project ready) and Plac Trzeczh Krzyzy (Three Crosses Square) which has just started.

Warsaw Streets and Squares in the past, the heyday of the car:


(...)
To be precise: Nowy Świat was pedestrianised (in fact narrowed from 4 to 2 lanes and semi-pedestrianised, buses and taxis are still allowed) in 1996. Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz at that time was, IIRC, CEO of National Bank of Poland and probably even didn't dream of becoming a President of Warsaw
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The nearly complete restoration of Prķżna Street in Downtown Warsaw is set to become the next pedestrianized street after Chmielna in midtown outside of the pedestrian-only Old Town. The street was originally restored in June and automobiles were allowed to park and drive there while the reconstruction of the main arteries of Świętokrzyska Street was being completed on top of the recently completed second metro line. Now that the latter streets are open, the street can become pedestrianized.
Question: Why are they bothering to build proper sidewalks (complete with posts to prevent parking) if the whole street is to be pedestrianized? Is it temporary (since you said it was used by drivers recently)?
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To be precise: Nowy Świat was pedestrianised (in fact narrowed from 4 to 2 lanes and semi-pedestrianised, buses and taxis are still allowed) in 1996. Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz at that time was, IIRC, CEO of National Bank of Poland and probably even didn't dream of becoming a President of Warsaw
Mruczek, I referred to Nowy Swiat as being pedestrian/bike priority. It does indeed allow cars and buses, but as you say it was narrowed...and yet the city survived all this narrowing
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Question: Why are they bothering to build proper sidewalks (complete with posts to prevent parking) if the whole street is to be pedestrianized? Is it temporary (since you said it was used by drivers recently)?
in a pedestrianized street the sidewalks still fulfill a role defining different zones such as a retail overflow zone, amenity zone (streetlamps, benches etc), so it could be demarcated with different paving. But you're right generally pedestrian zones don't distinguish between zones usually. In this case, I believe the bollards will be removed but the sidewalks will remain probably to preserve it's historic character.
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Mruczek, I referred to Nowy Swiat as being pedestrian/bike priority. It does indeed allow cars and buses, but as you say it was narrowed...and yet the city survived all this narrowing
Since you've mentioned HGW (president of Warsaw since 2006), I just wanted to clarify the issue
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From what I remember Nowy Swiat was done in 1996 or 1997 originally, at that time it was considered quite revolutionary, indeed HGW had nothing to do with that.
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A Warsaw Metamorphosis

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Sometime in the last 50's (thanks morris71):



By the late sixties all the surviving kamienice and ruins were levelled and a modernist pavilion was built on a new square:





Recently







Today



[IMG]http://i62.************/sv2k5w.jpg[/IMG]

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