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Old December 7th, 2014, 06:45 PM   #1961
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Urbanista1, thanks for conveying this interesting knowledge from all the research you've done.

It's amazing how much hard work and determination has gone into taking immediate post-war Warsaw and transforming it into the city it is today.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 08:27 PM   #1962
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It appears like this side is mostly original.

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Old December 7th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #1963
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For some context, here's some of my pictures.

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Old December 7th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #1965
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Warsaw by Mike Rychlik, on Flickr


that's right although only three in the middle have original interiors. and the third building from the left lost its top two floors during a hurricane in 2007.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #1966
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Urbanista1, thanks for conveying this interesting knowledge from all the research you've done.

It's amazing how much hard work and determination has gone into taking immediate post-war Warsaw and transforming it into the city it is today.
thank you, I will be sharing much more in the future hopefully once I have that information confirmed.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #1967
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The administration of President Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz has done a lot to revitalize the public/pedestrian realm in downtown Warsaw. Many of us who have known Warsaw over the years remember how the city streets and squares used to be packed full of cars. Now we have a pedestrian Old Town, Chmielna and soon Prozna, a new pedestrian/bike priority thoroughfare along Swietokrzyska as well as a similar arrangement on Krakowskie Przedmiescie/Nowy Swiat and this is on top of the pedestrianization of Plac Powstancow (Uprising Square) albeit a little makeshift looking and soon Plac Malachowskiego (project ready) and Plac Trzeczh Krzyzy (Three Crosses Square) which has just started.

Warsaw Streets and Squares in the past, the heyday of the car:







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Do you know if there are plans to restore the green area/park in front of the National Theatre? The car park there completely diminishes the importance of the building and is really ugly.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 11:50 PM   #1968
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The following kamienice or townhouses are the best preserved or most original in the old town. The dates given are earliest known dates when a structure was known to have stood on this site, but often over 600 years buildings are remodelled and redesigned and sometimes entirely rebuilt due to fires.

Note that most old town buildings preserved their original basements and main floors with main portals.

These buildings are the most original with original interiors:

Rynek 36 from before 1440, (some roof and dormer damage and stairs to second floor rebuilt)



Rynek 34 1449 (interior stairs rebuilt and windows on main floor replaced)



Rynek 32 from before 1440 (exterior walls, fašade and main floor interior original)



Krzywe Kolo 9 1576 (building was restored and modernized with reinforced concrete floors in 1939 for new use as Warsaw Historic Museum. All original exterior and interior structure with basements and vaulting)



Nowomiejska 10 1508 (all original fašade, exterior walls and interior structure, staircase and some fittings)



Most exterior walls and fašade original:

Rynek 42 1440 (original fašade except attic that collapsed in 1947 hurricane, original exterior walls and basements with vaulting and main floor vaulting)



Rynek 40 about 1500 (basement, fašade and exterior walls, main floor vaulting, and wrought iron interior staircase partly salvaged. The top two floors collapsed in a hurricane in 1947)



Rynek 30 1427 (fašade survived but was leaning and cracked, so was dismantled and reassembled plumb)



Rynek 28 1458 (most of fašade and applied art original)



Rynek 3 1459 (most of fašade original along with basements and vaulting)



Rynek 5 1470 (fašade, basements, vaulting)



Rynek 13 1458 (fašade to main cornice line except attic original, side fašade, basements and main floor vaulting)



Rynek 21 1500 (1/3 of fašade with gothic portal, basement and vaulting)



Rynek 21a 1543 (fašade survived but was dismantled and reassembled 1952, basements and vaulting original)



Rynek 31 1440 (fašade, exterior walls, basement and main floor with vaulting original)



Jezuicka 8 1449 (original fašade, basement and vaulting)



Jezuicka 4 1445 (fašade, basement and vaulting)



Kanonia 28 (fašade up to the first floor with basement and first floor vaulting)



Kanonia 22 1607 (fašade to first floor, interior walls and rear facade, basement and vaulting)



Kanonia 20 1607 (fašade, basement and vaulting)



Krzywe Kolo 16 1508 (fašade and basement)



Krzywe Kolo 12 1507 (fašade and basement)



Krzywe Kolo 7 1460 (fašade, exterior structural walls, basement and main floor with vaulting, original exterior stair in annex)



Nowomiejska 17 1444 (fašades and basement with vaulting)



Nowomiejska 15 1505 (fašade and rear wall original with basements and vaulting)



Nowomiejska 13 1519 (basement with parts of fašade to 2nd floor, main floor portal and main floor and basement vaulting)



Nowomiejska 8 1509 (fašade, basements and vaulting of basement and first floor)




more to come....
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Old December 8th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #1969
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Warsaw had to go through a hurricane in 1947? What else has this city been through?

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I know, but don't forget the Soviet occupation, mass expropriations and deportations to the gulags and yes the food shortages and living in urban caves...ok now I'm being a whiner
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Do you know if there are plans to restore the green area/park in front of the National Theatre? The car park there completely diminishes the importance of the building and is really ugly.
yes plans exist, there was a competition, a Berlin firm won, then came the crisis. now that finances are better and mayor Gronkiewicz-Waltz has won her third term, no doubt she will want to leave a legacy, her focus she says for next 4 years will be public spaces and quality of life aside from completing subway projects. Plac Teatralny should be one of them. Plac Malachowskiego will be renovated next year most likely, Plac Bankowy is supposed to have underground parking so it will be done as a PPP and when it will start depends on price of parking.
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Saski Palace through the ages and post war:

During Russian Empire Occupation



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War-time during Nazi Occupation



Post war Soviet Occupation



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That last pic is a little sad.
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Add the fountain and you are there...
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It was raining that day
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This reconstruction just has to happen but of course I realise it's a matter of finances. Hopefully, the now well under way reconstruction of the Berlin Schloss will give impetus to this project, just would like it to be a reality in my time!! The scale in the image seems a bit odd when you compare it to all the surrounding buildings.
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the reconstruction is necessary from many points of view, historic, urban planning and design that is to enclose the space and also lend the remaining square a more human scale. but also the Polish History Museum needs a home and I can't think of a more appropriate place. finally, all this space in the centre of town shouldn't be wasted to allow just the idle winds to sweep across.
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