The 30-sq-km of each major European urban area - Page 6

Norkey · March 24th, 2011, 12:37 AM

edubejar: Nice work, but for example Prague rapidly grew in size between 2000-10, with all those new logistic parks, malls, satellite housing and other residential development, road connectors etc. etc. - most of it on the 'virgin' soil, not a redevelopment. Whole CEE was still very undeveloped territory back in 2000, I don't know if this is known to you, but people are moving from the appartments to the row and single houses in the suburbs in high numbers.. however the imagery seems to be some 5 yrs old so I have no problem here. (and don't want to be accused of trolling.

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edubejar · March 24th, 2011, 02:02 AM

Thanks guys. Norkey, your observation regarding Prague is very much welcome because it is done in a civil manner.

Yes, most UA's here have seen construction/development/redevelopment. It's the risk one will always see with aerial and satellite imagery. Some of the cities here will be more outdated than others. It is my observation that cities like London, Paris, major German cities, Brussels and other major cities in Western Europe will often have great, updated coverage, like US cities.

Anyone is welcome to mark up with red polygon shapes areas that are now developed and post on this website. All are also welcome to suggest if the imagery shown here appears to be 10 or more years and to describe on what they base that. However, please note that I am using 2 different image services. Some UAs like Paris and Berlin, I am using both depending on the quad because one was a better quality over the other for a given quad (e.g. to avoid cloud coverage or even no coverge in one particular image service). One of those services is from Bing Maps. Google Maps cannot be used in this project. In the case of Athens, both image services were serving the same imagery source.

edubejar · March 24th, 2011, 05:13 AM

Riga, Rīga

Riga - NW

Riga - NORTH

Riga - NE

Riga - EAST

Riga - CENTRE

Riga - WEST

Riga - SW

Riga - SOUTH

Riga - SE

***coth*** · March 24th, 2011, 08:31 PM

Well, Moscow isn't new as well. Around 5 years old. Moscow expanded in many kilometers in some ways. Though, all expansions are outside of that 900 sq km range

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***GENIUS LOCI*** · March 24th, 2011, 08:49 PM

Amazing thread

I don't think we have to argue on the 'age' of the maps: to find updated maps for every single city is very difficult; and edubejar did a great job

***JloKyM*** · March 25th, 2011, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edubejar

Porto (Oporto) has been added on top of Prague. Oslo will be added later on top of Paris.

Next:

Riga
Rome
...
...

Sofia maybe?

edubejar · March 25th, 2011, 08:29 PM

Ya, it's my intention to put most capitals including Sofia. For example, I will not put Monaco and Andorra-la-Vella but most capitals I will

Fallout · March 25th, 2011, 08:36 PM

Such as Sarajevo, Tirana, Tallin and Vilnius?

edubejar · March 26th, 2011, 05:11 AM

I already had Rome prepared so I will add Oslo and Riga afterwards.

Rome, Roma

Rome - NW

Rome - NORTH

Rome - NE

Rome - EAST

Rome - CENTRE

Rome - WEST

Rome - SW

Rome - SOUTH

Rome - SE

Junk · March 26th, 2011, 11:19 AM

Rome = 2 (capital) cities in one.

jumping_jack · March 26th, 2011, 10:01 PM

the best one ever

FREKI · March 27th, 2011, 10:16 PM

Awesome work mate!

edubejar · March 28th, 2011, 01:22 AM

Oslo has been added between Moscow and Paris (Page 5). I plan to work on Riga next, which will be added on top of Rome.

Here is Rotterdam. Rotterdam-The Hague is considered by some an UA. They are major Dutch cities that have almost merged together. The merging is a bit uncertain but they do seem to come together at some point. I had to really shift the center point of Rotterdam in order to show some of The Hague. Rotterdam's city-centre should still be in the Center quad. Not sure if the NW quad shows the center of The Hague since I only have to be concerned on getting the center of Rotterdam in the Center quad.

Rotterdam

Rotterdam - NW

Rotterdam - NORTH

Rotterdam - NE

Rotterdam - EAST

Rotterdam - CENTRE

Rotterdam - WEST

Rotterdam - SW

Rotterdam - SOUTH

Rotterdam - SE

***coth*** · March 28th, 2011, 11:27 AM

Don't forget also about Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Rostov-na-Dony, Volgograd, Samara, Saratov, Kazan. All of them will be in top.

Ekumenopolis · March 28th, 2011, 02:42 PM

Amazing thread, i love it. Thanks, edubejar!

PD: as you said before, maybe Madrid's outer neighborhoods have changed significantly in the last years. But however, in the pics you used the urbanization lands are clearly seen, so no problem.

Keep'em coming!

edubejar · March 29th, 2011, 03:50 AM

I'm having some issues with Riga right now so I'll continue for now with Saint Petersburg.

Saint Petersburg, Санкт-Петербург

StPetersburg - NW

StPetersburg - NORTH

StPetersburg - NE

StPetersburg - EAST

StPetersburg - CENTRE

StPetersburg - WEST

StPetersburg - SW

StPetersburg - SOUTH

StPetersburg - SE

Junk · March 29th, 2011, 05:34 PM

What about Rotterdam?

brisavoine · March 29th, 2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edubejar

I personally think Paris' UA is a bit smaller than London's and Moscow's, though it does appear to be without doubt the 3rd.

Well, here is the surface of the urban areas in 2010 according to Demographia:
- Moscow: 4,533 km²
- Paris: 3,043 km²
- London: 1,623 km²

Source: http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

***GENIUS LOCI*** · March 29th, 2011, 11:50 PM

Mmmh... London one is just the datus of Greater London area, while the others, bigger 2 and three times the GL, seem a bit oversized: for istance Moscow UA is not more than 4 times the size of the municipality, which is a little more than 1000 skm and has 11 mio inhabitants. Even considering a population of 15 mio (that actually is the population of the capital region, way bigger than 4500 skm) you should have a population of 4 mio in 3500 skm, an 'urban' area less dense than Phoenix one, for istance, that notoriously is a city with a very low density. And this very very low density is around a very very high density core.
Maybe the urban area is a bit oversized, or at least the parameters for Moscow are different from the one of London, that certainly has a similar density around the core of Greater London

These data are at least disomhogeneous

Anyway, that's not the proper thread

MarcinMaximus · March 30th, 2011, 04:25 AM

Nice thread, great job. What else to say?

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March 24th, 2011, 05:13 AM	#103
edubejar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,471 Likes (Received): 6	Riga, Rīga Riga - NW Riga - NORTH Riga - NE Riga - EAST Riga - CENTRE Riga - WEST Riga - SW Riga - SOUTH Riga - SE Last edited by edubejar; April 3rd, 2011 at 09:54 AM. Reason: to add Riga

March 24th, 2011, 08:31 PM	#104
*coth* pride leader Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Moscow Posts: 16,296 Likes (Received): 266	Well, Moscow isn't new as well. Around 5 years old. Moscow expanded in many kilometers in some ways. Though, all expansions are outside of that 900 sq km range ) __________________ ▐█████▌

March 24th, 2011, 08:49 PM	#105
*GENIUS LOCI* Italian Mod Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Milano Posts: 26,415 Likes (Received): 231	Amazing thread I don't think we have to argue on the 'age' of the maps: to find updated maps for every single city is very difficult; and edubejar did a great job __________________ www.urbanfile.org Poland National Stadium - Kiev Olympic Stadium - The Shard - NYC 2 WTC - The Shanghai Tower - Milan Garibaldi Tower - Milan Expo 2015 E=mc²?

March 26th, 2011, 11:19 AM	#110
Junk That's me! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: The Hague - Rotterdam Metropolitan area Posts: 346 Likes (Received): 0	Rome = 2 (capital) cities in one. __________________ DenHaag Centreoftheuniverse

March 27th, 2011, 10:16 PM	#112
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March 24th, 2011, 12:37 AM	#101
Norkey BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Bannered Mare Posts: 2,741 Likes (Received): 3	edubejar: Nice work, but for example Prague rapidly grew in size between 2000-10, with all those new logistic parks, malls, satellite housing and other residential development, road connectors etc. etc. - most of it on the 'virgin' soil, not a redevelopment. Whole CEE was still very undeveloped territory back in 2000, I don't know if this is known to you, but people are moving from the appartments to the row and single houses in the suburbs in high numbers.. however the imagery seems to be some 5 yrs old so I have no problem here. (and don't want to be accused of trolling. )

March 24th, 2011, 02:02 AM	#102
edubejar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,471 Likes (Received): 6	Thanks guys. Norkey, your observation regarding Prague is very much welcome because it is done in a civil manner. Yes, most UA's here have seen construction/development/redevelopment. It's the risk one will always see with aerial and satellite imagery. Some of the cities here will be more outdated than others. It is my observation that cities like London, Paris, major German cities, Brussels and other major cities in Western Europe will often have great, updated coverage, like US cities. Anyone is welcome to mark up with red polygon shapes areas that are now developed and post on this website. All are also welcome to suggest if the imagery shown here appears to be 10 or more years and to describe on what they base that. However, please note that I am using 2 different image services. Some UAs like Paris and Berlin, I am using both depending on the quad because one was a better quality over the other for a given quad (e.g. to avoid cloud coverage or even no coverge in one particular image service). One of those services is from Bing Maps. Google Maps cannot be used in this project. In the case of Athens, both image services were serving the same imagery source.

March 25th, 2011, 08:29 PM	#107
edubejar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,471 Likes (Received): 6	Ya, it's my intention to put most capitals including Sofia. For example, I will not put Monaco and Andorra-la-Vella but most capitals I will

March 25th, 2011, 08:36 PM	#108
Fallout ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Gondor of Europe Posts: 1,784 Likes (Received): 132	Such as Sarajevo, Tirana, Tallin and Vilnius?

March 26th, 2011, 05:11 AM	#109
edubejar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,471 Likes (Received): 6	I already had Rome prepared so I will add Oslo and Riga afterwards. Rome, Roma Rome - NW Rome - NORTH Rome - NE Rome - EAST Rome - CENTRE Rome - WEST Rome - SW Rome - SOUTH Rome - SE

March 26th, 2011, 10:01 PM	#111
jumping_jack midnight talker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rome Posts: 3,000 Likes (Received): 217	the best one ever

March 28th, 2011, 01:22 AM	#113
edubejar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,471 Likes (Received): 6	Oslo has been added between Moscow and Paris (Page 5). I plan to work on Riga next, which will be added on top of Rome. Here is Rotterdam. Rotterdam-The Hague is considered by some an UA. They are major Dutch cities that have almost merged together. The merging is a bit uncertain but they do seem to come together at some point. I had to really shift the center point of Rotterdam in order to show some of The Hague. Rotterdam's city-centre should still be in the Center quad. Not sure if the NW quad shows the center of The Hague since I only have to be concerned on getting the center of Rotterdam in the Center quad. Rotterdam Rotterdam - NW Rotterdam - NORTH Rotterdam - NE Rotterdam - EAST Rotterdam - CENTRE Rotterdam - WEST Rotterdam - SW Rotterdam - SOUTH Rotterdam - SE Last edited by edubejar; March 31st, 2011 at 03:34 PM. Reason: to add Rotterdam

March 28th, 2011, 11:27 AM	#114
*coth* pride leader Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Moscow Posts: 16,296 Likes (Received): 266	Don't forget also about Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Rostov-na-Dony, Volgograd, Samara, Saratov, Kazan. All of them will be in top. __________________ ▐█████▌

March 28th, 2011, 02:42 PM	#115
Ekumenopolis Neon overdose Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Madrid Metroarea Posts: 1,708 Likes (Received): 6	Amazing thread, i love it. Thanks, edubejar! PD: as you said before, maybe Madrid's outer neighborhoods have changed significantly in the last years. But however, in the pics you used the urbanization lands are clearly seen, so no problem. Keep'em coming! __________________ Ecumenopolis: "The city of the future, covering most of the habitable surface of the Earth as a continuous system, forming an universal settlement, the limits determined by climatic constraints and the extent of fairly flat land."

March 29th, 2011, 03:50 AM	#116
edubejar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,471 Likes (Received): 6	I'm having some issues with Riga right now so I'll continue for now with Saint Petersburg. Saint Petersburg, Санкт-Петербург StPetersburg - NW StPetersburg - NORTH StPetersburg - NE StPetersburg - EAST StPetersburg - CENTRE StPetersburg - WEST StPetersburg - SW StPetersburg - SOUTH StPetersburg - SE

March 29th, 2011, 05:34 PM	#117
Junk That's me! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: The Hague - Rotterdam Metropolitan area Posts: 346 Likes (Received): 0	What about Rotterdam? __________________ DenHaag Centreoftheuniverse

March 29th, 2011, 11:50 PM	#119
*GENIUS LOCI* Italian Mod Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Milano Posts: 26,415 Likes (Received): 231	Mmmh... London one is just the datus of Greater London area, while the others, bigger 2 and three times the GL, seem a bit oversized: for istance Moscow UA is not more than 4 times the size of the municipality, which is a little more than 1000 skm and has 11 mio inhabitants. Even considering a population of 15 mio (that actually is the population of the capital region, way bigger than 4500 skm) you should have a population of 4 mio in 3500 skm, an 'urban' area less dense than Phoenix one, for istance, that notoriously is a city with a very low density. And this very very low density is around a very very high density core. Maybe the urban area is a bit oversized, or at least the parameters for Moscow are different from the one of London, that certainly has a similar density around the core of Greater London These data are at least disomhogeneous Anyway, that's not the proper thread __________________ www.urbanfile.org Poland National Stadium - Kiev Olympic Stadium - The Shard - NYC 2 WTC - The Shanghai Tower - Milan Garibaldi Tower - Milan Expo 2015 E=mc²?

March 30th, 2011, 04:25 AM	#120
MarcinMaximus agent provocateur Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 389 Likes (Received): 4	Nice thread, great job. What else to say? Sent from iPhone using SSC Forums

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