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Old May 31st, 2013, 08:57 AM   #1
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NEW YORK | Madison Square Garden Redevelopment | +700m | +400m x 2 | +350m x 2 | +300m x 3 | Canceled

Possibly the largest real estate development in the history of New York. Maybe the entire world?

Four Plans For A New Penn Station Without MSG, Revealed!


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Last month the Municipal Art Society invited four high-profile architecture firms—SHoP Architects, SOM, H3 Hardy Collaboration Architecture, and Diller Scofidio + Renfro—to come up with ambitious plans for a new Penn Station. The timing was intentional, and apt: Madison Square Garden's permit to operate is expiring, and a contentious battle has been raging over how long it should be renewed. Those advocating for a new Penn want the Garden's permit to be limited to 10 years, giving the city time to prepare the machinations necessary to relocate the arena, essentially clearing space for the kind of massive, starchitect-designed, innovatively structured transit hubs that the four firms have proposed. Madison Square Garden, however, won't be so easily moved, and the City Planning Commission is currently recommending a 15-year permit with a loophole that would allow the Garden to remain in its spot in perpetuity should it agree to compromise with the trains lines that run below on improvements. But many, including Times archicritic Michael Kimmelman, are holding out hope that the City Council and its speaker Christine Quinn will see the benefit to limiting MSG's operations in order to build a statement-making station, like the ones designed for the challenge that were presented this morning.
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/0...g_revealed.php
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:02 AM   #2
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:04 AM   #3
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Looks epic!
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:19 AM   #4
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8 supertalls and one of them is a mega tall. wow, looks like new york still has ambition to keep up with shenzhen in the next decade. please build it already
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:23 AM   #5
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http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTall...-Redesign.aspx

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Four New York-based architecture firms have unveiled competition entries for a new Penn Station and a relocated Madison Square Garden. SHoP Architects, H3 Hardy Architecture, SOM and Diller, Scofidio + Renfro, have had only two months to create their competition entries.

The entries are part of a competition run by the Municipal Arts Society (MAS) in association with the Regional Plan Association, which together form the Alliance for a New Penn Station.
"In addition to reframing Penn Station as a city-wide symbol of design, engineering and urban culture, the brief also called for a clear narrative for the greater midtown area that incorporates exciting possibilities for the 16-acre west side waterfront Hudson Yards site,"designboom reports.

The four plans were presented at a forum organized by MAS, according to Architectural Record.
"This is a once-in-a-century opportunity to right the wrong of what happened to Penn Station, to get Penn Station out from being a basement space and give it the kind of space and civic nature that is appropriate for the busiest train station in the United States," SHoP Principal Gregg Pasquarelli said during his presentation.

SOM's proposal includes four mixed-use towers at the corners of the site.
The proposal has conceptual similarities to the submission SOM made for an earlier visioning charrette around the 100th anniversary of New York’s Grand Central Terminal last October.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:26 AM   #6
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This would likely be at least a decade long build out, but if it went through New York could have 30 supertalls by 2025. 10 of them 400m+.
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well there are different proposals though. one seems to have 4x ~300m and no main tower for example. so we have to wait and see which proposal might get a go and then what comes out of the concept.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:33 AM   #8
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The smallest proposal consists of four ~400m towers. Any of these would be spectacular.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:35 AM   #9
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I think the first proposal looks best, and not just because of the giant tower! But they are all amaaaazing, I don't get how the giant bridge in the second proposal will work though, the span is pretty big and it's resting on 4 400+m towers, is that possible?
But I thought the limit on tall buildings in the US was 610m?
I'm guessing this is the replacement for Penn Plaza? I honestly can't see something of this size happening for a good 10 years or more though tbh... I hope i'm wrong though!

Also in the proposal with the 4 towers at the same height with red light beams shooting out, you can see what looks like 432park avenue in the background!

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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:41 AM   #11
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Sadly, these are visions. MSG was granted a 15 year occupancy permit with potential lifetime status if they work with the city on renovating and improving the existing Penn Station. Should MSG choose not to contribute towards those efforts, they will have to vacate the site in 2028. By then these proposals will no doubt be replaced by others.

MSG Gets '15 Years To Life' For Its Crimes Against Urbanity

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It's just as we suspected yesterday. Capital New York reports that the city granted Madison Square Garden a permit to operate for another 15 years. And, just as the arena wanted, there's the option to extend it in perpetuity if MSG agrees to cooperate with the railroad lines in its belly on certain vital measures to improve Penn Station. After months of bouts, the decision is a severe blow to those who believe the whole venue should just be relocated to make way for a transit hub that not only functions below ground but looks attractive at the street level, too.

The saga over renewing MSG's expired permit divided New Yorkers into two camps. The first wanted to limit the arena's permit so that that it could ultimately get razed in the name of a newly redesigned Penn. On the other side, of course, stood the hulking sports and concert venue, run by the Dolan family, which told the world in no uncertain terms that it really wasn't going anywhere and downright could not be forced to move. So far it's MSG: 1; Archicritics, Community Board Members, and Preservationists: 0. But let's see what kinds of concessions the city wants to extract from the Garden over the next decade and a half before the final score is settled.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:51 AM   #12
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How cool would be this? Looks like a Star Trek City.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:56 AM   #13
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I'm guessing MSG will be gone in less than 15 years and that we will witness a project on this scale being officially proposed in 5 years.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 01:54 PM   #14
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Sadly, these are visions. MSG was granted a 15 year occupancy permit with potential lifetime status if they work with the city on renovating and improving the existing Penn Station. Should MSG choose not to contribute towards those efforts, they will have to vacate the site in 2028. By then these proposals will no doubt be replaced by others.

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Old May 31st, 2013, 04:07 PM   #15
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Old May 31st, 2013, 04:32 PM   #16
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Sadly, these are visions. MSG was granted a 15 year occupancy permit with potential lifetime status if they work with the city on renovating and improving the existing Penn Station. Should MSG choose not to contribute towards those efforts, they will have to vacate the site in 2028. By then these proposals will no doubt be replaced by others.
Look at how long it took to put together Hudson Yards. If they were going to build any of these it would take years to put together the financing and work through the regulations. So, yes they are just visions, but what else were you expecting, a signed deal?

On an unrelated note, when was the last time an architectural firm had as meteoric a rise as shop?
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Old May 31st, 2013, 05:11 PM   #17
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If this thread should be locked, then at least a third of the Chinese supertall threads should be locked as well.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 05:14 PM   #18
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These are totally visionary, only created as an exercise to show the possibilities surrounding Penn Station. My guess that something of this magnitude will be done someday, just not in the next 15 to 20 years. Especially in light of MSG receiving a renewal.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 05:16 PM   #19
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These proposals wont happen for a while, but something of this magnitude will happen.
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These proposals wont happen for a while, but something of this magnitude will happen.
Agreed. Once WTC and Hudson Yards are nearing full build out.
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