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Old February 20th, 2008, 10:15 PM   #221
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Really? That's good to know. I took the bus because when I went in May 2007 the train stopped somewhere else in the city (yes, the castle you're talking about) when I needed to get to Centrale. The Malpensa Express seemed to be the only direct way.

Are they building a new set of tracks to the station or doing a simple rerouting? How long would it take to get there? I hear people love Linate because it's very close so if you just had an extremely quick way to get from all the way from MXP to the city center it would be just like flying into Linate.

Yep, they are building new tracks from centrale joning the existing line to Malpensa. Time: I'm not sure but I guess 40-45 min... we'll see.

Btw, from Cadorna Station (current terminal of malpensa express train) you can use the unterground for 5 stations to reach Centrale.. It's useful (perhaps with few luggages )

Linate: it's close to the city...served by urban bus and taxi (underground in the future)....much more comfortable..... I live at 15min from Linate so I can't say anything different , but some people here in Italy say that Linate is a problem for Malpesa (it stoles flights to the hub)..Maybe yes, but I'm fond of Linate.

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Old February 20th, 2008, 10:30 PM   #222
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Italian right vows to delay Alitalia hub plans

MILAN, Feb 17 (Reuters) - The leaders of Italy's Northern League said on Sunday it was right to sell loss-making carrier Alitalia to Air France-KLM but vowed to put on hold for three years planned flight cuts from Milan's Malpensa airport.

Thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the airport to protest against Alitalia's and Air France's plan to downgrade Malpensa's hub status in favour of Rome.

Alitalia, which plans to cut its daily flights from Malpensa to 105 a day from 360 from April 1, is in exclusive talks to be bought by Air France-KLM. The airport is seeking $1.86 billion in damages from the airline.

"It is right to sell Alitalia to Air France, because otherwise it will go bankrupt," Northern League leader Umberto Bossi told the demonstrators, the first time he has openly spoken in favour of a deal with the French carrier.

"But it is also right to safeguard Malpensa's workers," he added. Malpensa lies in Milan's Lombardy region, one of the Northern League's electoral heartlands.

Another party heavyweight, Roberto Maroni, said that if the centre right won an April election it would impose a "three-year moratorium" on the downsizing of Malpensa.

"If we win, Malpensa is safe," said Maroni, whose party is allied to Silvio Berlusconi's conservative bloc -- favoured by opinion polls to win the April 13-14 vote.

The Italian state is selling its 49.9 percent stake in Alitalia, which loses a million euros a day.

However, the collapse last month of Romano Prodi's centre-left government, which backed a takeover by Air France, has raised questions over whether the deal can go ahead.

The French airline said last week it would drop its offer without the support of Italy's new government.

The comments sent Alitalia's shares down 4 percent on Friday.

Further complicating the sale is a legal challenge to the exclusive talks between Alitalia and Air France by small domestic airline Air One. An Italian court has put a freeze on new developments until a hearing on Feb. 20.
So in essence, it's a good business move, but, they are f*cking with it for politics.

Logical.

I still fail to see how Milan is less attractive than Rome for the hub.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 10:39 PM   #223
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So in essence, it's a good business move, but, they are f*cking with it for politics.

Logical.

I still fail to see how Milan is less attractive than Rome for the hub.
You must ask it to our roman politicians, to the roman union and to Alitalia's employees

NB. "roman" doesn't mean ROMA as a city, but a peculiar way to do politic (it's difficult to explain, sorry).

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Old February 21st, 2008, 12:52 AM   #224
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You must ask it to our roman politicians, to the roman union and to Alitalia's employees

NB. "roman" doesn't mean ROMA as a city, but a peculiar way to do politic (it's difficult to explain, sorry).

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I think I understand what you mean.
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Old February 29th, 2008, 04:56 PM   #225
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Alitalia: talks in deadlock for the AZ Service matter


Rome, Italy - The meeting in Paris two days ago
(WAPA) - The future of AZ Service is among the points of conflicts between Air France-KLM and Alitalia in the takeover talks. The negotiations have got bogged down following the Italian Union's opposition, and for this reason the French-Dutch President, Jean-Cyril Spinetta, would be ready to postpone the meeting in Italy forecast for the next week.

The Paris meeting of two days ago between the management of the two companies would have not given the forecast results.

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Old March 2nd, 2008, 05:11 AM   #226
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Alitalia's debt at end Jan rises 6.8 pct

MILAN, Feb 29 (Reuters) - Italian carrier Alitalia on Friday said its net debt at the end of January stood at 1.28 billion euros ($1.95 billion), up 6.8 percent from a month earlier.

The unprofitable airline had cash and financial credits for 282 million euros at the end of January, down 23 percent from a month earlier, Alitalia said in a statement.
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Old March 2nd, 2008, 05:20 PM   #227
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You must ask it to our roman politicians, to the roman union and to Alitalia's employees

NB. "roman" doesn't mean ROMA as a city, but a peculiar way to do politic (it's difficult to explain, sorry).

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Or maybe you must ask that to Lombard politicians, who weren't even able to shut down Milan city airport in order to concentrate all commercial traffic to Malpensa?
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Old March 6th, 2008, 10:30 AM   #228
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Berlusconi now says open to Alitalia takeover

ROME, March 5, 2008 (AFP) - Italy's centre-right leader Silvio Berlusconi said Wednesday he could accept an Air France-KLM purchase of struggling flag carrier Alitalia if the airline were able to retain its national character.

"I think it's possible to envision a public company with Alitalia, Air France and KLM, so long as Alitalia remained a national company with the Italian flag on the planes and offices across the world," Berlusconi said.

He told Rai Uno television that "a state contribution" might be necessary to achieve such a goal.

Alitalia is in negotiations for a sale to Air France-KLM although a final decision in the long-running saga over its future will be taken by the new Italian government formed after the April 13-14 polls.

Berlusconi's comments appeared to signal a change from the previous day, when he said Italy should not sell off its national assets.

"It is a serious problem and I am very critical of the course that has been taken. Italy should not be selling off such national companies," Berlusconi told Sky TG24 television on Tuesday.

The two-time former premier, who is hoping to return to power in April, had said he favoured an offer from Italian businessmen. Alitalia's local rival Air One recently said it was prepared to put a new offer on the table.

Alitalia stock fell by 5.5 percent on Tuesday following Berlusconi's comments.

Centre-left leader Walter Veltroni on Wednesday criticised Berlusconi's "hasty" comments and said the company should be sold "according to the rules of the market".
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Old March 7th, 2008, 03:07 PM   #229
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Or maybe you must ask that to Lombard politicians, who weren't even able to shut down Milan city airport in order to concentrate all commercial traffic to Malpensa?
City VS City....even here
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Old March 7th, 2008, 05:30 PM   #230
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City VS City....even here
...that's the Macaroni way. Italy is doomed, if things don't change radically. A good start could be if Alitalia gets overturned and sold to Air France or any other serious (that is, foreign) operator. This is the only way we can get an usable air service in Macaronia.
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Old March 7th, 2008, 11:13 PM   #231
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Or maybe you must ask that to Lombard politicians, who weren't even able to shut down Milan city airport in order to concentrate all commercial traffic to Malpensa?
Of course also lombars politicians have to blame. As ever they woke up too late!

"Central" ones have been more brighter (in their own interests).
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Old March 14th, 2008, 05:56 AM   #232
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Italian court throws out Air One case for Alitalia bid: reports

MILAN, March 11, 2008 (AFP) - A top court has thrown out Italian carrier Air One's suit to get takeover talks between troubled peer Alitalia and Air France-KLM suspended, Ansa and Radiocor news agencies reported Tuesday.

Air One had appealed to Italy's State Council, or top administrative court, after a lower tribunal rejected its case that the government should not have approved exclusive takeover talks between Alitalia and Air France-KLM.

The reasoning for the high court ruling will be made public in several days, the news agencies said.

On Monday, Air France-KLM said it would submit a formal offer for Alitalia on Thursday.

Following months of twists, Alitalia in January opened exclusive talks with Air France-KLM to reach an accord on the sale of the government's 49.9 percent stake in the chronically loss-making Italian carrier.

Outgoing Prime Minister Romano Prodi championed the sale but the outcome was clouded when his government collapsed shortly afterwards and new elections were called for April.

It was already opposed by many politicians, especially on the right, and former premier Silvio Berlusconi has raised questions about the sale of valuable state owned assets as the country prepares to vote.

The government has been trying for more than a year to sell Alitalia, reported to be losing around one million euros (1.5 million dollars) a day, but there have been continuous delays.

A tender last year that included Air One but not Air France, which already owns two percent of Alitalia, collapsed in July when all credible buyers pulled out.

The final decision on Alitalia's future will rest on the government elected at the April polls.
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I think Air France-KLM would be the best choice for Alitalia. Air France-KLM is a highly profitable air company. Air France showed respect towards KLM and the homebase Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. It is only not officially dutch anymore, which hurts a little bit. Alitalia is in a bad situation that needs a lot of help, which Air France-KLM can give better than any other airline.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 05:18 AM   #234
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I think Air France-KLM would be the best choice for Alitalia. Air France-KLM is a highly profitable air company. Air France showed respect towards KLM and the homebase Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. It is only not officially dutch anymore, which hurts a little bit. Alitalia is in a bad situation that needs a lot of help, which Air France-KLM can give better than any other airline.
unfortunately in the northern italy they don't think this way...
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I think Air France-KLM would be the best choice for Alitalia. Air France-KLM is a highly profitable air company. Air France showed respect towards KLM and the homebase Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. It is only not officially dutch anymore, which hurts a little bit. Alitalia is in a bad situation that needs a lot of help, which Air France-KLM can give better than any other airline.
There is the risk that management will be distracted from running the existing business if the take-over goes ahead. I do not know the details of the issues, but if Alitalia's troubles could not be sorted out as a standalone airline, will it be easier to do it as part of a merged operation?
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Alitalia accepts Air France offer

Troubled Italian carrier Alitalia has agreed to be bought by rival Air France for a cut-price 138m euros(£106m:$215m) in a move to save the state airline.
The Italian government, which holds 49.9% of Alitalia, failed to sell the company by auction in 2007.

Alitalia has lost money for five years, and has struggled to clinch a buyout.

Air France-KLM offered one share per 160 Alitalia shares, valuing Alitalia at a low-value 0.10 euros a share.

That is a 81% reduction on Alitalia's current share price.

The offer includes plans for a 1bn euro capital injection by the Franco-Dutch airline, which says it will also pay 608m euros to buy back Alitalia bonds.

The proposed purchase could become a hot topic in Italy's general election, being held on 13 and 14 April.

'National leader'

Alitalia, which is struggling under 1.2bn euros of debt, is hoping the tie-up will generate significant savings.

There are a number of hurdles to be overcome before the deal is sealed. Air France-KLM are seeking support for the move from Italian trade unions.

The Italian government must also agree to sell its shares, and the country's stock market and European Union competition regulators must also give their backing.

Air France-KLM has a restructuring plan for Alitalia to enable it "to rediscover the means of its development and to consolidate its status as a national leader".

And it said Alitalia will maintain its national identity within the Air France-KLM group after the takeover, which could be completed by mid-2008.

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Fire sale ...
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Fire sale ...
lt' s a real shame
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Job Cuts

The Unions have rejected the planned job cuts:

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and the next right coalition will refuse the suicide AF conditions too
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