Tamilnadu Economy Thread

[karkal]

State gets highest ever increase in plan outlay

CHENNAI: Tamil Nadu has managed to secure an 18.97% increase in plan allocation this year, an all-time high. Last year, the allocation was increased by 17.27%.

The state has been sanctioned an annual outlay of Rs 28,000 crore for 2012-13. The Times of India had reported two days ago that Tamil Nadu is likely to pitch for Rs 28,000 crore outlay. This is Rs 4,465 crore more than last year's allocation of Rs 23,535 crore. Tamil Nadu is among the few states which spend the entire annual allocation and more.

Chief minister Jayalalithaa asked for a special assistance of Rs 250 crore this year for expenditure on sewage management and protection of lakes in Chennai. She also asked for Rs 300 crore from the Centre to provide amenities in and around Kudankulam where a nuclear power plant is set to be commissioned.

Jayalalithaa, in her meeting with Planning Commission deputy chairman Montek Singh Ahluwalia, said, "The ambitious goals of the 12th Five Year Plan can be achieved only when good performers are adequately rewarded through more funds and flexibility in implementation of schemes and programmes. My government is successfully implementing numerous welfare programmes. Some of these schemes share common goals with similar central schemes. This would facilitate effective implementation of such well grounded popular state schemes if the states could access more central funds."

Jayalalithaa sought central support to tackle the power crisis in the state and also remove disparities between districts in the state. "Attention on a priority basis is also required to finalise fuel supply agreements and coal linkages that will maximise the efficiency of power plants. I hope that the B K Chaturvedi Committee will devise a pragmatic revival package for power utilities that reschedules bank loans. I also urge the Union government to take steps to remove the corridor constraints that hinder evacuation of power from surplus states to deficit states," she said.

She also highlighted the steps taken to improve the transportation in Chennai city. "In addition to expediting the works of the Chennai Metro Rail project, a global tender has been floated and bids have been invited for the first phase of the Chennai Mono Rail project at a cost of Rs 8,500 crore. I envisage an integration of all modes of public transport in Chennai through a common ticketing system to enable seamless travel by users. We have activated the Chennai Unified Metropolitan Transport Authority," she said.

Seeking more funds: CM J Jayalalithaa with Planning Commission deputy chairman Montek Singh Ahluwalia in New Delhi on Monday.

Jayalalithaa unhappy over T.N. plan outlay

Talking to journalists here on Monday, before leaving for Chennai after she and her team held discussions with Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Dr. Montek Singh Ahulwalia and his officers at Yojana Bhavan, Ms. Jayalalithaa said: “... but here, out of these Rs. 28,000 crore only Rs. 3,000 crore is from the Centre. The rest of it is Tamil Nadu’s own money. We have asked for the special and additional assistance under various heads but that were not forthcoming. So what this entire exercise amounts to is that we have come all the way to Delhi to have discussions and meetings with the Union Planning Commission, so that they can tell us how to spend our own money”.

While TN government was remedying its fiscal situation, substantial financial support was required from the Centre for the raised investment needs of the State’s 12th Five Year Plan. “Unfortunately, the 11th Plan has shown disappointing trends. The Centre should liberally support the projects, taken up by TN government through viability gap funding,” she said.

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[petchiselvam]

Originally Posted by krishnaswamy

Please read this on some big "numbers" and its quality..
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=5659

"2011-2012. Revenue = 7.7. trillion. Expenses = 13.2 trillion. Shortfall = 5.2 trillion. The gap was funded largely by 4.4 trillion in borrowing. So the government borrows almost two thirds of what it earns and one third of what it spends. The fiscal deficit now amounts to about 68% of revenue."

FISCAL DEFICIT OF TAMILNADU IS JUST 3%.

[krishnaswamy]

Ithai padingappa...avaru pona varusham sonnaru.. nan ippa solren...avalavuthan..1 of the excellent Post..Thanks Satchi..
Also read this by Tshyam
finally, none other than , by KT
4.2 lakh cr Economy than.. no body questions that number...
now whoever jumped on me, they can question themselves and try to find the answer on nature of our TN Govt spending and what it will create.
4.2 lakh Cr economy than...athunale than 10 varushama 1 road podurangalo?...

[krishnaswamy]

Originally Posted by Vicvin86

Santhosathuku standards kidayathu....

[QUOTE=Vicvin86;74689419]... GDP's ultimate goal is to find out standard of living.

Originally Posted by Vicvin86

What will you do that with the money?
Buy something that make you feel good or save it for another 10 years to become even more richer?
Its not richer or poorer. Its what makes you feel better.

4.2 Lakh Cr economy thango..no body denies..but neenga sonna ungalodaya varthagalaiyum, namathu discussion ... panni parunga.
yourself have admitted standard of living is important. when i question the same now, you are answering differently.

[petchiselvam]

@KRISHNASWAMY GDP growth rate அதிகமாக இருப்பது அரசு அதிக அளவு வளர்ச்சிப்பணிகளில் முதலீடு செய்ததால் தான்

[krishnaswamy]

Originally Posted by petchiselvam

@KRISHNASWAMY GDP growth rate அதிகமாக இருப்பது அரசு அதிக அளவு வளர்ச்சிப்பணிகளில் முதலீடு செய்ததால் தான்

you read KT's post first. read Tamilnadu budgets for the last few years. see how much is the good expense to increase the GDP....
if you need more clarity on GDP and GDP growth, TN govt spending on GDP contribution, just read Tamilnadu AA thread from page 241.
vettiya spend panni "kuzhi thoondi and thirupi fill up panrath" GDP-ye improve pannathu...

[krishnaswamy]

Finally kannan sir's earlier post on his view during another heated discussion
"Govts, Banks & FIIs have found this method convenient to manipulate the data and come out with reports which favour their view points.
If all the citizens of our country get opportunity to work & earn, are able to afford Food,a Place to live and dress, then that is more than fantastic GDP growth - as advertised by the parties or so called economists."

1 of our beloved forum member too told during "quota" arguements, that "students who secure high marks(number) in TN exams need not to be brilliant(quality).

So just 4.2 lakh cr is just a number only.this 4.2lakh contains lot of useless numbers similar to 750 Cr water tank model project.
we need to improve a lot on "quality" . e.g standard of living..

4.2 lakh Cr economy is number. no body is denying that number or Inflate the number.can any body deny this?

[petchiselvam]

குறை சொல்லியே தீர வேண்டும் என்று எதையாவது உளறக்கூடாது. தமிழ்நாடு GDP 4.28lak cr. இந்தியாவிலேயே மகராஷ்டாவிற்கு அடுத்த உள்ளது. 3 ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பு 4 ஆவது இடத்தில் இருந்து 2வது இடத்திற்கு முனனேறியள்ளது. மேலும் தமிழ்நாட்டின் GDP growth rate மற்ற வளர்ச்சியடைந்த மாநிலங்களை விட அதிகமாக உள்ளது. இதற்கு காரணமா என்ன?

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by krishnaswamy

matha state or country la bus break downey agatha sir?

appuram ethuku ippadi samanthamey illama cross posting pannuringa??

[krishnaswamy]

Originally Posted by petchiselvam

குறை சொல்லியே தீர வேண்டும் என்று எதையாவது உளறக்கூடாது. தமிழ்நாடு GDP 4.28lak cr. இந்தியாவிலேயே மகராஷ்டாவிற்கு அடுத்த உள்ளது. 3 ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பு 4 ஆவது இடத்தில் இருந்து 2வது இடத்திற்கு முனனேறியள்ளது. மேலும் தமிழ்நாட்டின் GDP growth rate மற்ற வளர்ச்சியடைந்த மாநிலங்களை விட அதிகமாக உள்ளது. இதற்கு காரணமா என்ன?

Could you please mind your tongue.This is an public forum and you should know how to talk and write.
Hope you understand on the 1st time itself. Read your PM...
If you dont like the points, either ignore it or rebut it with proper points. you dont have any rights to say am blabbering or not.

I have repeated many times to you, dont compare any other states here. If you want to compare, come to different thread.....


Kannan sir,
I vehemently oppose the language used by this friend...please clean up some of the other "advice" message too..am sorry sir,i cannot help it.

[krishnaswamy]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

matha state or country la bus break downey agatha sir?

appuram ethuku ippadi samanthamey illama cross posting pannuringa??

Arul,
there is a connection. Chennai is part of TN. MTC is part of TN Economy.
Nan anthe padam podarappave nenaichen.. somebody will question. but athu neengala irupeengannu nan nenaikalai.
Neenga yen sir, matha state compare panreenga inthe discussion-le..?
nan yen anthe padam potten?
4.2 is just a number. Still the destination, where we need to go is far away.
it is a "midhavai" perunthu..but 50 peru "thalla" vendi irukkudu...
how much money is drained in MTC over the last few years. do you think this is 1 of incident of MTC in the last few years?
fail-ana students parkatheenga sir...

Office-le Appraisal meeting le salary hike discussion(?) aappu meeting-le, "meet the Expectation" candidate-da kammi yana salary pathi pesuveengala, ille "Outstanding" candidate-oda salarly pathi pesuveengala?

[Mad 4 Madras]

Originally Posted by krishnaswamy

Still the destination, where we need to go is far away.
fail-ana students parkatheenga sir...

Ipavum anda foto en potenganu enakum puriyala...ana adula onu puriyudu:
"oor koodi izhutha than theru"...oru kai kudunga ezhukalam.

PS> Ezhutha varalanu, makkal lam sendu thallaranga (SG needs a push not a pull)

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by krishnaswamy

Arul,
there is a connection. Chennai is part of TN. MTC is part of TN Economy.
Neenga yen sir, sambanthame illame matha state compare panreenga..?

You mean to say you are 100% perfect in every aspect of life? for example your car or vehicle never met with any break down in life time??

b/w I am stopping here because the it will go nowhere... because as usual debate will be back with only negative points from you and want TN to be 100% perfect which will never happen.

[krishnaswamy]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

want TN to be 100% perfect which will never happen.

No.. I am not the guy to expect 100%. but
you meant to say this is one of the rare incident of MTC?come on..
between Chrompet and Guindy, how many times i have seen 3 to 4 buses breakdown....
MTC thread-leyum, TNSTC thread-leyum neenga kurai sollalam..athaye nan solla koodatha?
Neenga M.amaichar, vikravandi M.hotels-nu sollalam. "suthiyal adikalam"..athaiye nan solla koodatha?

Now also i am telling 4.2 lakh Cr is just a number.
There is 1 very good example of big state, big economy went into dummy piece (not in india).
Athunale number-le concentrate pannama, quality-le concentrate pannalampa.

[petchiselvam]

@krishnaswamy மனித வாழ்க்கை மிகவும் குறுகியது. நாளைக்கே உயிரோடு இருப்போமா என்பதே கேள்விக்குறி. ஆகையால் அது சரி இது சரி இல்லை என்று புலம்புவதை விட இருப்பதை வைத்து சந்தோசமாக வாழ வேண்டும். இருப்பது ஒரு வாழ்க்கை தான். அதை மனதில் இருக்கட்டும்

[krishnaswamy]

Originally Posted by Mad 4 Madras

Ipavum anda foto en potenganu enakum puriyala...ana adula onu puriyudu:
"oor koodi izhutha than theru"...oru kai kudunga ezhukalam.

PS> Ezhutha varalanu, makkal lam sendu thallaranga (SG needs a push not a pull)

Kandippa kai kodukkaren..but athukkaga "paper"le vara number without quality-kaga "cheers" lam panna mudiyathu..
E.g for number+quality :Vishwanathan Anand...WC
ivarukkku whistle podanum, cheers podanum..

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by krishnaswamy

No.. I am not the guy to expect 100%.

but looking at every complaining post.. it looks to be.

you meant to say this is one of the rare incident of MTC?come on..
between Chrompet and Guindy, how many times i have seen 3 to 4 buses breakdown....

I mean to say, what is the relation b/w MTC break down and economy thread? You mean to say that 20,000 gvt buses running in TN face such break down everyday and paralyse the transportation and affecting the service sector of economy??

The break down rate of MTC is much inline for an metropolitan city of a developing country in Indian sub-continent.

some points to support my above post.

The PMPML's score is the lowest on all six parameters, and the fares are the highest among the five cities. Chennai's MTC scored the highest on three counts - regularity, breakdown rate and average fare. Bangalore's BMTC has a high score on network reach and number of buses per lakh population, while the BEST undertaking of Mumbai has a high score on frequency.

"The PMPML's performance is below average on all counts. Its services are unreliable as it has low regularity and high breakdown rates - more than twice the average break down rate for other cities. The utility has fewer buses, poorer frequency and fewer bus stops. Moreover, it also charges more than other cities. Chennai's MTC charges the least among these cities and also gets the best score for two other parameters. Clearly, something is seriously wrong with PMPML services and management," the study said


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As a common man of this country/state, for me the break down is quiet inline with other cities and no where it is worst or 100% break down.

Now don't ask why comparison!! The comparison is must to present the fact that around TN is also typical India and not any europe or US or Japan standard.

MTC thread-leyum, TNSTC thread-leyum neenga kurai sollalam..athaye nan solla koodatha?
Neenga M.amaichar, vikravandi M.hotels-nu sollalam. "suthiyal adikalam"..athaiye nan solla koodatha?

I am not complaining or posting negative news everytime in every thread. Let it be related to CG or SG!!!

[kannan infratech]

Kris!

I suggest that you please stop arguing on trivials and harping on 100% perfection, which is not achievable, anywhere.

I have received some statistics from SSC HQ and the max no of posts deleted in TN forums is yours. Please restrain your impulse to reply then & there.

Petchiselvam,

Please discuss only the topic issues and not the persons who post. Personal comments may lead to Brig / Ban.

Others:
Let us not waste our time & effort on these useless discussions.

[kannan infratech]

@ Bus & Breakdown:

I recommend our guys to travel first to all other indian states to check how they are and then compare.

Arm Chair Activism can not sustain for ever.

I find TN as the best state in having city / inter city transport in India.

P.S.: I have travelled widely by Public Transport probably except a few pockets in India.

[venkyinblr]

Originally Posted by kannan infratech

Kris!

I suggest that you please stop arguing on trivials and harping on 100% perfection, which is not achievable, anywhere.

I have received some statistics from SSC HQ and the max no of posts deleted in TN forums is yours. Please restrain your impulse to reply then & there.

Petchiselvam,

Please discuss only the topic issues and not the persons who post. Personal comments may lead to Brig / Ban.

Others:
Let us not waste our time & effort on these useless discussions.

This is Much better.Period.