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Old December 27th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #561
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As I posted a few weeks ago, I was informed by NR staff at the recent exhibitions on the Ordsall Chord that there is a solution
However it costs some £10m and is currently not funded, so someone would have to find the money.
A vertical-lift bridge perhaps?
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Old December 28th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #562
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...In this case, there is a half way house which is a flat crossing on the chord allowing retained access to MOSI. But, as with any compromise there are issues. Firstly, any flat crossing is a complicated and expensive bit of permanent way to maintain. Such a solution would presumably rule out including a degree of cant for increased service speed on the chord...
Thanks for that, Slip.
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Old December 28th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #563
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If Network Rail can spend half a billion on Kings Cross station then they can an extra £10 million to avoid cutting the first inter-city railway in the UK. But they're in London - so anything outside of it is irrelevant.
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:08 AM   #564
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If Network Rail can spend half a billion on Kings Cross station then they can an extra £10 million to avoid cutting the first inter-city railway in the UK. But they're in London - so anything outside of it is irrelevant.
Yes, they should stop all new projects until MOSI are satisfied. Or just get on with it. You choose.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 06:07 PM   #565
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A vertical-lift bridge perhaps?
Ski jump...



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Old December 30th, 2012, 06:57 PM   #566
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a locked off flat crossing CAN NOT be hard FFS
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Old December 31st, 2012, 08:58 PM   #567
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The problem is not the odd excursion, it's the daily shuttle
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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:28 AM   #568
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a locked off flat crossing CAN NOT be hard FFS
There's not just the expense of installing a flat crossing, trap points etc but the cost of ongoing maintenance - how do you justify both the upfront and ongoing expense for a mainline connection used just 3 times in the last decade and in future might only be useable at night?

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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:48 AM   #569
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Network Rail only charges a £5000 a year fee for a site (such as rail served factory) to maintain access to the national rail network.
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Old January 7th, 2013, 09:20 PM   #570
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Ordsall Lane Junction - before.

A glimpse of the day before the day before yesterday.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #571
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Network Rail only charges a £5000 a year fee for a site (such as rail served factory) to maintain access to the national rail network.
The problem is the huge cost of installing and maintaining both a junction and flat crossing which would barely, if ever, be used.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:04 PM   #572
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The problem is the huge cost of installing and maintaining both a junction and flat crossing which would barely, if ever, be used.

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Chris, the flat crossing would be used many times every day the shuttle is running. They have the 'Lion' replica running up and down at weekends, that line will be severed.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:14 PM   #573
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Chris, the flat crossing would be used many times every day the shuttle is running. They have the 'Lion' replica running up and down at weekends, that line will be severed.
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Reality check please guys.

1. Seeing our railway in Derbyshire was told the cost for the connection onto the MML was £100k per annum, I doubt whether the MOSI connection would cost just £5k.

2. The is no way on earth that NR would allow the shuttle to cross the Chord. Even if they did, every locomotive would need to have all the equipment of a main line vehicle (ERTMS, OTMR etc.), so forget that one.

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Reality check please guys.
2. The is no way on earth that NR would allow the shuttle to cross the Chord. Even if they did, every locomotive would need to have all the equipment of a main line vehicle (ERTMS, OTMR etc.), so forget that one.

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That is why I flagged it, it is a bad design for the Museum and they will lose the opportunity to demonstrate a key exhibit
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That is why I flagged it, it is a bad design for the Museum and they will lose the opportunity to demonstrate a key exhibit
Unfortunately, I really can't see another option.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #576
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Unfortunately, I really can't see another option.
Not without significant cost increases
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #577
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Can they not add another track and widen the curve and connect to the mainline towards Victoria? *Edit - scrub that, would require a rather sharp corner!
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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #578
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A glimpse of the day before the day before yesterday.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/actonwe...n/photostream/
Fantastic image! Thanks for that, amazing to see how much has changed...

Best regards!
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Reality check please guys.

1. Seeing our railway in Derbyshire was told the cost for the connection onto the MML was £100k per annum, I doubt whether the MOSI connection would cost just £5k.

2. The is no way on earth that NR would allow the shuttle to cross the Chord. Even if they did, every locomotive would need to have all the equipment of a main line vehicle (ERTMS, OTMR etc.), so forget that one.

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Went back and checked, the license to maintain an existing connection which I was talking about, base price since 2006 is capped at £10,000 per year or actual cost if lower than £10,000, for a brand new connection its the cost to install the new connection capped at £100,000 per year or the sum of 'Agency Costs, Contractors' Costs and Personnel Costs (all as defined in Schedule 3) included in the Base Price as at the Commencement Date' if lower than £100,000.

edit: Theres also a clause to allow Network Rail to recover an additional charge of upto £50,000 per annum until repayed if the works require extensive modification to the pre-existing infrastructure valued at more than £50,000.

Basically its set up partially subsidised so Network Rail is liable for the bulk of the ongoing costs and renewals as well as connection cost to encourage companies to use the service and not face any nasty surprises of unexpected expensive renewals costs.

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