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Old March 22nd, 2014, 07:28 AM   #321
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Yea I agree and you make a convincing case. As per latest filing it does indicates that this is indeed a supertall which obviously supersedes all previous filings. This is what we should go by.

220 CPS should move to the supertall section.

New York | 220 Central Park South | 314 m | 1,031 ft | 65 fl | Prep

Manhattan will have a total of 4 clusters made up of supertalls once these projects are realized..

Midtown North cluster
1,423' - Nordstrom
1,400' - Steinway
1,397' - 432 Park Avenue
1,050' - Tower Verre
1,031' - 220 CPS
1,005' - One57

Hudson Yards Cluster
1,800' - Hudson Spire?
1,227' - 30 Hudson Yards
1,216' - 2 Manhattan West
1,100' - 50 Hudson Yards
1,100' - 35 Hudson Yards
1,034' - 3 Hudson Boulevard
1,000' - Sherwood Equities?

Lower Manhattan Cluster
1776' - 1 WTC
1350' - 2 WTC
1170' - 3 WTC
1018' - 80 South Street

42nd Street Cluster
1,200' - 1 Vanderbilt
Plus the possibility of a few more to come... thinking there will be a couple more supertalls at least in the Central Park area, and a few more in the West Side developing area, as well as the budding East Side zone of which 1 Vanderbilt will be the herald.. .there are still areas that can be built substantially on. And even then, quite a number of great towers in the 700-950 range too. New York skyline is legendary already, but just wait ten years from now!
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 02:33 PM   #322
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Is there more or less evidence saying this is 1,031ft?
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 04:23 PM   #323
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If building height in such an application was measured from sea level, buildings in Denver would all have heights above 5,000 feet in their applications.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 04:25 PM   #324
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I think it's a coincidence that the height in the new application is the same as the previous elevation. Coincidences happen.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 05:11 PM   #325
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42nd Street Cluster
1,200' - 1 Vanderbilt
No love for the Chrylser and the ESB?
I'm starting to feel like those older towers will soon get ignored by this wave giant newcomers.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 05:54 PM   #326
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It still seems awfully coincidental.


To have the new (higher) building height exactly the same as the old plans elevation figure....

I'd believe 1031 if it were different from the old plans.
I don't know. That drawing doesn't look like this render at all.

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Old March 22nd, 2014, 06:15 PM   #327
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I don't know who started the myth that when it says building height on DOB applications that it refers to height above sea level. It does not. The latest doc says: "Building height: 1,031," whereas, the previous docs listed the height at 950'.
Mistakes happen. I'd believe the height figure if it were 1032, 1033, or 1029, 1030. 1,031 just seems like it was an error.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 07:24 PM   #328
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No love for the Chrylser and the ESB?
I'm starting to feel like those older towers will soon get ignored by this wave giant newcomers.
Just think Vertical_ Gotham was talking about all the new developments and how many of them going supertall. Of course we love our classics!!!! They're still the originals and will always be greatly loved.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 01:38 AM   #329
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Just think Vertical_ Gotham was talking about all the new developments and how many of them going supertall. Of course we love our classics!!!! They're still the originals and will always be greatly loved.
In my opinion ESB and Chrystler are the soul of Manhattan and always will be
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 04:58 AM   #330
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Gentlemen we should change the thread and height. it is now stands at 1,031 Feet
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It will rise well beyond the originally stated 920-feet; in fact, it will be joining the ranks of the "supertalls" being constructed nearby, reaching a height of 1,031-feet. YIMBY also spotted a black and white drawing on the site's construction fence. It's officially a race to the top for the towers growing south of Central Park.

The extra 80 feet puts 220 Central Park South above One57, but below most of the others under construction. Here's how they stack up:
6. Extell's One57: 1,004 feet
5. Vornado's 220 Central Park South: 1,031 feet
4. Hines' 53 West 53rd Street (Tower Verre): 1,050 feet
3. JDS/PMG's 107 West 57th Street: 1,350 feet
2. Macklowe's 432 Park Avenue: 1,396 feet
1. Extell's 217 West 57th Street: 1,423 feet
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0..._1031_feet.php
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NEW YORK | 220 Central Park South | 290m | 950ft | 65 fl | Prep


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NEW YORK | 220 Central Park South | 315m | 1031ft | 65 fl | Prep
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Is it just me or is this now starting to feel like a bubble?

Hopefully Im wrong cause this is now my favorite Supertall in NY.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 03:43 PM   #333
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 04:24 PM   #334
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No love for the Chrylser and the ESB?
I'm starting to feel like those older towers will soon get ignored by this wave giant newcomers.
They do't really belong to a cluster. The Chrysler building a bit but the ESB is all alone.
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This is just across the street from Central Park? In that case even the lower apartments should have good views over Central Park.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 05:44 PM   #336
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They do't really belong to a cluster. The Chrysler building a bit but the ESB is all alone.
The Chrsyler belongs a "bit" to a cluster? It started the "42nd street cluster" and whatever else might follow with the the East Side Rezoning.
The ESB might end up belonging to the HY cluster because it will be connected with the Brookfield towers and other developments around MSG all the way to the HY. But the Chrsyler definitely belongs to the 42nd street/ midtown east cluster.
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The Chrsyler belongs a "bit" to a cluster? It started the "42nd street cluster" and whatever else might follow with the the East Side Rezoning.
The ESB might end up belonging to the HY cluster because it will be connected with the Brookfield towers and other developments around MSG all the way to the HY. But the Chrsyler definitely belongs to the 42nd street/ midtown east cluster.
I know, I meant a cluster of supertalls since the list of VG was also about supertalls, and there will be supertalls close the the Chrysler Building in the future.
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amazing to see so many skyscrapers being built in the USA is a great sign of economic recovery although most of this is because the fed has handed out many for the last 6 years and eventually this may could into a crash like the late 1920s skyscraper boom when they increase interest rates to borrow money
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 08:14 PM   #340
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amazing to see so many skyscrapers being built in the USA is a great sign of economic recovery although most of this is because the fed has handed out many for the last 6 years and eventually this may could into a crash like the late 1920s skyscraper boom when they increase interest rates to borrow money
Those towers aren't build with easy credit from the Feds, quite a few of them actually got their money from abroad. And this boom is fueled by foreign and domestic demand centered around the wealthy, so it's a very narrow and specific market. Besides, the wealthy are the least affected by recessions and in terms of investments Real estate has historically been as a safer asset, especially in global cities like NYC and London.
So bubble or not, it won't have the same effect as the rest of the 95% of the population not buying condos. No real comparison with the crash in the 20's or the latest one.
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