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Old November 24th, 2014, 05:20 AM   #481
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The design is final, that is unless Vornado wants another legal skirmish with Extell.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #482
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Lol ok Borat. Let's rewind here. I am curious... Why do you think " this building is too high for such a design" ? Is it because the design incorporates an Art Deco style crown that we haven't seen the likes of for well over half a century and you believe that it will have too radical of an impact on the skyline?
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it is probably the best design going up at the moment.30 park place is okay ,but this is neo-deco and if anything it should be at a different location so that this gem could shine,it could have even fit better in downtown
This is a PoMo design. Though stern likes to call it "Contextualism" which makes it sound new and relevant but it's not. If you want to see "Contextualism" look at the Harold Washington Library in Chicago... Stern's designs aren't nearly as contextual as that design and yet it's still considered PoMo.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #483
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I see no reason why it can't be both contextual and postmodern, and in fact believe that's what we have here.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 10:26 PM   #484
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This is a PoMo design. Though stern likes to call it "Contextualism" which makes it sound new and relevant but it's not. If you want to see "Contextualism" look at the Harold Washington Library in Chicago... Stern's designs aren't nearly as contextual as that design and yet it's still considered PoMo.
These labels are all pretty vague and somewhat arbitrary. Harold Washington Library is considered post-modern because the proportions are exaggerated. Just look at the gigantic acroteria. They should tip you off that the building is emphatically rejecting guidelines on traditional architecture, which is a basic quality of post-modernism.

Contextualism is a much more inclusive term. It just means architecture that seeks to blend into or harmonize with existing architecture, usually traditional, vernacular architecture.

The problem with a lot of people is that 'post-modernism' has become a pejorative term, to describe any architecture outside of modernism that they don't like. It's more specific than that.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #485
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i like this design too bad this can't be joined by the 36 cancelled art deco buildings of the late 20s
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Old November 25th, 2014, 12:03 AM   #486
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I like this design & I hope this is what will be used. BTW, I just noticed this is U/C?? Cheers Cheers Cheers!!! Yea boy. Maybe I did know, but don't recall. lol.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #487
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I think it's been in the U/C section for a while! There was some rebar and pouring a while back! But I guess, just like Norstrom that it's just been a slow process recently trying to construct one part of the buildings base whilst they're finishing digging out the other end
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Old November 25th, 2014, 06:05 PM   #488
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The image at the site is somewhat different, so I don't think that's necessarily the final design.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 05:40 AM   #489
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Old November 26th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #490
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Looks like the crown is either dramatically different, or a work in progress. The rest of the tower looks the same though.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 07:11 PM   #491
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I think the crown may have been cropped in the rendering, but the tower portion has different setbacks.
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Old December 1st, 2014, 09:16 PM   #492
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I love skyscrapers. With that said, here's a Bill Moyers piece about the buildings going up on Billionaires' Row.

http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-s...#disqus_thread


(p.s. - I'm posting this on the threads of the Billionaires' Row buildings because it makes perfect sense to do that.)
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Old December 1st, 2014, 10:00 PM   #493
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I do think this current real estate love affair with the high end of high end projects is self serving and in the end wrongheaded. Pushing up property values to titanic heights is only in the end good for real estate magnates and their powerful friends. I don't agree with some of the Bill Moyers piece because there does seem to be an animus against development, and in real practical terms it does make sense to focus on at least some highest end product. But unlike "The Lion" who posts occasionally believes in defense of all this super luxury porn,New York City, namely Manhattan, shouldn't merely be a playland for the rich... there should be an understanding in an era where only the top of the 1% is gaining financially, and the middle class definition is being squeezed and downsized, when those of more modest means are squeezed out in the name of progress, this isn't an America anymore that really values those who do the work and don't have the bank account and sexy image of the very, very rich. When those who would once be in the middle class comfortably are no longer confident in their ability to more than tread water, or that their children's lives will instead of being better as in previous generational moods but instead may be indeed worse, it would do well for the real estate barons pull back a bit in coming years. 10-100 million dollar penthouses who often may only be used as an income shelter for foreigners do not endear themselves to the community at large.

It's why for all the luxury developments, I do really appreciate the Hudson Yards as it will at least have a strong public/ cultural presence that will go beyond merely showing off. Steinway will resonate to me for its architecture, and that it does preserve as much as possible the Steinway building. Nordstrom too having the famous retail department store for its base. 220 Central Park will be gorgeous, but will it resonate with people? 432 Park?31 W57th with its proposed seven star hotel? Park Lane? ANYTHING proposed by Shvo? So much now that seems to indicate a fixation with satisfying the pleasures of the richest, without giving a lick how much effect this will have on those not having $50-100 million and beyond to shell out?

I'm talking too from the perspective of someone who loves skyscrapers... someone who really wants to see New York City develop, but also wants development to be something that in the long run benefits New Yorkers of all socio/economic types. Not to price more people out of neighborhoods. The solution to some would be to simply move elsewhere, that no one has a "right" to live in Manhattan ... but if you look to Brooklyn, same pressures... it's going to happen everywhere without some wiser heads who realize some balance is needed. There will always be a place for high luxury product but the numbers of people who don't make vast sums greatly outweigh the ones who do. And with automation and outsourcing the potential for middle class, even upper middle class lives as we've known it for families not in the high spectrum is threatened.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 06:04 AM   #494
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Right next door, at Gainsborough Studios:

http://www.6sqft.com/biographer-coup...tudios-for-6m/


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Old December 28th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #495
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From yesterday.

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Old December 28th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #496
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Only in NY: 2 very tall, mega luxury towers rising one in front of the other!
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Old December 31st, 2014, 07:49 AM   #497
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Only in NY: 2 very tall, mega luxury towers rising one in front of the other!
So close that one literally has to look around the other to see the park.
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Almost no progress in 3 weeks! Is this stalled?!
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 05:50 AM   #499
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I noticed this a couple weeks ago @ the DOB. Probably has something to do with this.



Excellent updates all around towerpower!!! Cheers cheers cheers!
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Old January 24th, 2015, 05:35 AM   #500
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Well what exactly is the reason for the work stop order?
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