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Old January 22nd, 2016, 03:30 PM   #681
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Chances are, 21st floor is not the actual 21st floor.
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 08:13 PM   #682
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They probably skipped some numbers, just like WTC1 and many other buildings.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 03:32 AM   #683
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Comparing the rendering to the concrete structure currently rising, that is just the core and some internal rooms! The front and back of it will have a likely steel structure attached to it. Take note of how the building has an angle profile similar to the Metlife Building over Grand Central. The first two floors are the final structure but there is a section that extends over it, with only a 3 foot setback or so.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 07:20 AM   #684
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Comparing the rendering to the concrete structure currently rising, that is just the core and some internal rooms! The front and back of it will have a likely steel structure attached to it. Take note of how the building has an angle profile similar to the Metlife Building over Grand Central. The first two floors are the final structure but there is a section that extends over it, with only a 3 foot setback or so.
I doubt it. Steel is generally not used in construction of residential buildings especially luxury buildings like this one... plus there are no sockets for connecting the steel anyway. I would guess that It's more likely that this building has a very robust base and that the floors and columns will be significantly smaller once it gets up to the 21st floor where all the residences are anyway. (see a few posts back)
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Old January 25th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #685
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Old January 28th, 2016, 04:07 PM   #686
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Final Renderings For 220 Central Park South Show Slight Design Changes
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Back in May of 2015, YIMBY posted renderings from SLCE Architects featuring the Robert A.M. Stern Architects-designed 220 Central Park South. Since then, construction on the building has made major headway, with the structure now reaching past its tenth floor, and now we can post the building’s final look, thanks to an ad placed by developer Vornado in REBNY’s new booklet.

While no formal renderings have previously been released by the developer, an illicit video leaked in early 2014, and the follow-up images from SLCE and the documents filed with the Department of Buildings confirmed that changes to what was depicted in the video would not be dramatic.

In any case, modifications since the last round of renderings show balconies are now present along much of the tower’s northern side, facing Central Park.
Pure class. Only thing is it reminds me too much of next door 15 CPW, just taller.
Fantastic tower nonetheless.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 04:20 PM   #687
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Essentially the midtown version of 1 Wall Street

Developers should only build (neo) art deco around Central Park.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:13 PM   #688
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Great improvement for the design, almost exactly what I had in mind with my earlier remarks! Thanks for listening, Mr. Stern.

It might seem less characteristic now especially with the top, but instead it turned more elegant and classical, it will age more gracefully. And also the residential qualities are probably higher, even the outside balconies help improve the structure of the facade. Great job, one of the best supertalls of the 21st century so far probably.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #689
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I don't like it better, but I don't like it less. Still a great design. Much better than the minimally-imaginative giant next door.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:54 PM   #690
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I love it!!
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:57 PM   #691
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Still a great design, but the balconies aren't necessary and cheapen the design. They really stick out and annoy me. I'm looking forward much more to 217 West 57th, provided they don't veer from the current design.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:48 PM   #692
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Good to see that the curvy shape has been replaced with a more classic straight street wall.

It fits in much better with the overall aesthetic. The tower harks back to early art deco skyscrapers, which by and large are angular with setbacks. On which note, the crown is fitting, too. Pure Walker.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:56 PM   #693
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #694
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Not big on the balconies but they're a minor issue. Stern's done a good job incorporating them into the design.

The adjacent terraced Villa also looks great, very New York.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 08:07 PM   #695
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I think the new crown is an upgrade while the balconies slightly cheapen an otherwise classic look. The Villa might be my low-key favorite part of this project. Perfect fit for CPS.

Overall, the new design feels like a much closer relative to its older cousin, Limestone Jesus, just around the corner:


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Edit: BV, I'm calling jinx, since we posted the same sentiment at the same time.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 08:36 PM   #696
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small complaint, but the eastern setback irks me. It sort of disrupts the art deco vibe, which is typically more along symmetrical lines. Stern's style is more post modern, so I can look past it. I'm still liking what I see.

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Old January 28th, 2016, 09:00 PM   #697
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I like the original proposal better. A bit sad with these changes.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 09:03 PM   #698
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Art Deco is world famous for its geometric shapes, details and heroic looking statues positioned on some part of the facade (it's adorable when they are somewhere closer to the crown of the tower). I know it may sound very bold but will it be a bad thing if they use some of these details? I know it might look tacky, but it can also be done in a very tasteful way. At the end who knows, maybe this really is the classier way to build it.
By the way I also like the original proposal better.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 09:42 PM   #699
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I think this is one of those cases were the surroundings really matter and in the end the new design in more "Central Park" than the previous.
Stern really took into consideration the location of the building in designing this tower and I wish more architects would do the same.
Would it be somewhere else I probably would've preferred the other design cause I'm more of a modernist, but for this location, this one is just perfect.
I really can't wait to see the real thing, just think of a taller version of 15 CPW gracing the skyline...
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Old January 28th, 2016, 09:45 PM   #700
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I like the original proposal better. A bit sad with these changes.
This.

The balconies look like sh!t but are understandable from a sales perspective. But losing the curvature is no small "adjustment". The curvature gave the tower a sophisticated take on historicism that has now apparently yielded to a fully cubed-out pile of contextual ho hum. If I had laid down a deposit I'd be angry over the clumsy bait and switch.

Hopefully these renders are not a final design but just a mockup of the balconies. They are too grainy and useless for marketing purposes. I'm hoping this is just Stern doing a DW Griffith impression with these Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
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