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Old January 28th, 2016, 10:58 PM   #701
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I liked the original design better in all honesty. I felt like it was a more modern version of art deco but this is basically 30 Park Place 2.0. I've never liked the idea of a 1930s building being built in 2016.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 01:43 AM   #702
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We'll see more modernized versions of Art Deco anyway, don't you worry.
We're slowly getting there.

But as I said multiple times: To evolutionise or even improve something as grand, graceful and almost perfect as Art Nouveau or Art Deco, you need to build them beforehand. Architects were unable to design classical buildings of such quality for decades, but they need to master it in order to develop beyond that.

We can't forget our western architectural roots if we want to create something great again. That's why early modernism so often was much better than what we've seen in recent times; early modernists still understood and mastered the classical toolbox.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 01:52 AM   #703
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IMO the transition between shaft and crown is too abrupt. It's basically a box with a hat.


There is another thing that worries me a bit:

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You can see the blind wall facing the street, which will contain the stairs and elevators. It's basically the core of the building. It will run up the entire facade. I hope they will find a pleasing solution to cover it up.

The following floor plans show a full floor apartment and a penthouse. Even though the elevator shaft is not shown, the left out part and the description "elevator lobby" indicates where the core will be.


49th floor


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Although revealed in March 2015, the floor plans belong to the new design. You can see the boxy layout and balconies.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 02:55 AM   #704
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This.

The balconies look like sh!t but are understandable from a sales perspective. But losing the curvature is no small "adjustment". The curvature gave the tower a sophisticated take on historicism that has now apparently yielded to a fully cubed-out pile of contextual ho hum. If I had laid down a deposit I'd be angry over the clumsy bait and switch.

Hopefully these renders are not a final design but just a mockup of the balconies. They are too grainy and useless for marketing purposes. I'm hoping this is just Stern doing a DW Griffith impression with these Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
Agreed 100%. I could not really pin point what is about the new design that does not impress me as the original until I realize it is the loss of the curvature of the facade that has "cheapened" the design into a boxy rendition of its former silhouette.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 03:01 AM   #705
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There is another thing that worries me a bit:


You can see the blind wall facing the street, which will contain the stairs and elevators. It's basically the core of the building. It will run up the entire facade. I hope they will find a pleasing solution to cover it up.
The exterior wall facing south is a complete departure from the original design:



I am so disappointed.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 03:15 AM   #706
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Imo the redesign is gorgeous. I hated the old design. Especially the old crown.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 03:23 AM   #707
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I think it's a nice change. Didn't make me change my opinion of the tower; still love it.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 04:11 AM   #708
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I see the economic benefits for the new design:
It will probably be cheaper to build. It will have more floor space, because the core is not in the center and the tower is now boxy. Also balconies towards Central Park are a plus. It's something One57 and 432 Park Avenue lack. It also seems to me the new design will have more floors (penthouse floor plan says 77th floor). But I Iike the old one more. Its shape was so elegant.

At least we now know, why the concrete structure didn't fit the old renderings.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 04:11 AM   #709
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The new design has a lot more in common with 240 Central Park South than One Wall Street, just look at the crowns with three slits on 240 and the rendering. It's a lot more blocky and geometric and lacks some of the elegance of the original design. It's clearly a much more accurate rendering too based on what's been built.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 04:29 AM   #710
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I like the original proposal better. A bit sad with these changes.
I agree 100% wholeheartedly.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 04:48 AM   #711
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This is how I feel about this

https://youtu.be/8EjNa8Ukg_0?t=22s
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Old January 29th, 2016, 09:25 AM   #712
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I consider myself a modernist, but I'm rooting for a more genuine revival of Art Deco, because those balconies remind me of Dubai Marina and I am not very sure that we want so much postmodernism in New York City, because the city already has so many nice looking historical buildings.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 09:51 AM   #713
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There is another thing that worries me a bit:


You can see the blind wall facing the street, which will contain the stairs and elevators. It's basically the core of the building. It will run up the entire facade. I hope they will find a pleasing solution to cover it up.
I wonder if this is a change that resulted from the Central Park Tower being announced to be built right across the street from the southern facade of 220 Central Park South. Before CPT, CPS had great views of midtown and downtown to the south but not anymore after CPT. Maybe it was a wise choice so the residents of CPS do not have to look directly across to their CPT neigbors.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 04:25 PM   #714
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I've figured out how I feel about it: the new design is just as good as the old design, but it's missing one thing... originality. The old design took art deco and added a modernity to it, whereas the new design is simply art deco. I love art deco; I'm joint pointing out what I feel it lost in the redesign. But it's still going to look great.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 06:00 PM   #715
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I wouldn't judge the design solely on these renderings anyway. Renderings hardly capture the look of masonry towers accurately. Whatever goes up will look much better in full limestone.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 06:21 PM   #716
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This is a good point. Let's just hope that they don't decide to clad the upper floors in concrete to save on the cost of limestone.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 07:04 PM   #717
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2 bad it's going to overshadow permanently a significant - although everchanging - slice of the park
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Old January 29th, 2016, 09:04 PM   #718
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Old design is better in my opinion. Older design is more symmetrical, doesn't have those awful balconies and has a more outstanding spire. New design looks just like a taller 15 Central Park West. Still a decent design, built not it looks like it lost it's uniqueness.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 11:53 PM   #719
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Was there really a curvature on the old design btw? It could also be due to somewhat distorted rendering perspectives. Maybe an older floor plan would tell us more.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 11:57 PM   #720
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Very disappointing. The old design was much better. Looking at the two renders side by side the new one looks like it should be the older one.
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