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Old March 25th, 2016, 06:02 PM   #761
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Old March 25th, 2016, 07:36 PM   #762
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Ooh, they started cladding!

Is that blank wall going to have fake windows all the way up?
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Old March 25th, 2016, 07:43 PM   #763
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Is that blank wall going to have fake windows all the way up?
Hah! I didn't even realize what I looking at. I'd put money down that that's the plan. As long as it's executed properly (like the upper mech floors at 432 Park), it should only be noticeable by us skyscraper nerds.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 08:30 PM   #764
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So, basically, first we had a concrete facade that pretended to be sandstone, now we have windows that pretend to be....windows. Well what can I say, flawless, a real Art Deco experience.
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Old March 27th, 2016, 01:08 AM   #765
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I love this building!
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Old March 27th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #766
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what incredible attention to detail, cost be damned!
where else in new york do developments take care of the damned blank walls this way??

if only everyone loved new york the way stern does this would be such a nicer world
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Old March 27th, 2016, 10:58 PM   #767
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Maybe they should have designed a building with real windows. But since the whole world seems to be building parodies of buildings, it shouldn't be much of a problem.
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Old March 27th, 2016, 11:16 PM   #768
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Maybe they should have designed a building with real windows. But since the whole world seems to be building parodies of buildings, it shouldn't be much of a problem.
blank walls have a purpose

it's how you choose to treat the look of it that matters
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Old March 27th, 2016, 11:47 PM   #769
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Oh wow I feel so enlightened! So thanks for telling me the blank wall has some purpose, but whatever that purpose is, it probably could have been incorporated in the design more properly.
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Old March 28th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #770
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Stern is not abad architect and this building is not a complete disaster, the cladding is alright and I am still looking forward to this building. Even though I would much rather have real windows the false front on this building is alright. The thing about this project that it most amazing is the speed of construction. Damn this is the fastest building to ever go up in New York.
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Old March 28th, 2016, 05:56 AM   #771
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All of the glass buildings (One57, One World Trade Center) have tons of "fake" windows since their entire facades are coated in glass and nobody seems to care. Does it really matter if the windows are fake?
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Old March 28th, 2016, 03:49 PM   #772
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Oh wow I feel so enlightened! So thanks for telling me the blank wall has some purpose, but whatever that purpose is, it probably could have been incorporated in the design more properly.

Always so happy to see structural engineering geniuses here that could design a super narrow 1000' building without a solid core.
I'm not that smart so I just naturally assumed that even though they obviously would have preferred to have real windows it was simply not possible for structural reasons.
If you know better, definitely let them know, it worked out with the Citycorp building once.
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Old March 28th, 2016, 05:13 PM   #773
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Another day, another enlighter, lights shine. Next time read more carefully since I didn't even mention an "S" of being a structural engineer that could obviously fix this mess. They could have decided to go with a more modern design, in which a blank wall could have been incorporated in the design more properly, but guess what they decided to go with this tacky parody of a building, but why do I even care in this obviously way too conformistic world, more importantly I am not going to be living over there and that's for sure, but rather some other people with different definition for the word "taste".
If this makes you happier then ok: This tower will look marvelous once finished even with the windows that only pretend to be windows. Have a nice day.
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Old March 28th, 2016, 05:39 PM   #774
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Wow, progress is lightning fast!
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Old March 28th, 2016, 08:45 PM   #775
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We shouldn't worry one single second, it's the second decade of the 21 century an era like we couldn't possibly even imagine, an era where it's simply impossible to have real windows (for structural reasons) on a building that tends to have them even though there is no sustainable reason for them to be there since the structure does not allow that. But we will at least have buildings that tend to be the "perfect match" to the American Radiator Building.
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Oh wow I feel so enlightened! So thanks for telling me the blank wall has some purpose, but whatever that purpose is, it probably could have been incorporated in the design more properly.
you mean like leaving the wall blank?? which is the case in 99% of developments in new york right now

what could be more "integrated" into the design than building freaking windows from the ground floor up 1000 feet; windows that no one will every ever get to look out of
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Old March 29th, 2016, 12:50 AM   #777
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you mean like leaving the wall blank?? which is the case in 99% of developments in new york right now

what could be more "integrated" into the design than building freaking windows from the ground floor up 1000 feet; windows that no one will every ever get to look out of
Nothing. Nothing could be more integrated into the design than these lovely "windows". How the things started progressing from the concrete that looks like travertine to the windows that aren't actual windows, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future we see a building that's not an actual building. The saga with this windows made me so tired. Fine, build postmodern stuff, or whatever you want.
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Old March 29th, 2016, 01:59 AM   #778
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Nothing. Nothing could be more integrated into the design than these lovely "windows". How the things started progressing from the concrete that looks like travertine to the windows that aren't actual windows, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future we see a building that's not an actual building. The saga with this windows made me so tired. Fine, build postmodern stuff, or whatever you want.
so if not windows, how do you suggest "integrating" this better given the engineering challenges and windows on all three sides?

you mean keeping a whole slab of wall, all 1000 feet of it, in concrete?? travertine look or not
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Old March 29th, 2016, 09:53 AM   #779
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I don't suggest anything, since I can't think of anything that could fix this. I never thought that a building like this would pass in NYC, but I almost forgot that people with suspicious taste will live over there, well I guess that explains everything.
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Old March 29th, 2016, 04:37 PM   #780
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I've often wondered why other architects haven't installed fake windows in their buildings. It will look a lot better than having a blank wall all the way up.
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