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Old December 13th, 2016, 07:15 PM   #1061
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Topped out?
They just started working on the upper balcony floors. They have all of those to do plus the crown. About 6 or 7 "floors" left I'd say.
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Old December 13th, 2016, 11:31 PM   #1062
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I'm also not sure that I've heard anybody who is anti-the fake windows offer up any other compelling solution to the problem.
I think they're weird to watch rising with the tower, but I won't care a lick about them as long as the illusion is pulled off properly (a giant column of window-shaped LEDs that don't quite match the interior lighting would look worse to me than a blank granite slab, imo.) The success of the similar light panels on the top two "floors" of 432 Park suggest this will look fine.

In any case, the two "real" solutions I see would have been: 1) re-design the exterior with glass curtain walls, so there's at least a more seamless illusion, albeit still an illusion nonetheless. And though I may not love RAMS in general, I do think limestone is better suited to CPS, and appeals to wealthier buyers better than a glass tower in the same location. Or 2) they could have re-designed the floorplates so that the floors wrap around the whole building. But as Otie's stupendous render illustrates, the South-facing views would be mostly obscured by Central Park Tower...



...so basically the developer would be "fixing" this aesthetic problem by adding floor space that adds little value, and in the process shortening the tower, and eliminating hyper-valuable penthouse floors.

Ultimately, it's a workaround, but one that works fine, and once construction is finished, I doubt any New Yorker on the street would look at the building and say, "Hey I think those windows are fake."
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Old December 14th, 2016, 02:34 AM   #1063
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that's kind of hilarious. I always thought that this tower looks so thin and wondered where the core would go. It kinda sucks, that people will only have a Central Park view and no Downtown view though.
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Old December 14th, 2016, 03:42 AM   #1064
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It kinda sucks, that people will only have a Central Park view and no Downtown view though.
My heart goes out to those poor billionaires.
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Old December 15th, 2016, 06:10 AM   #1065
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My heart goes out to those poor billionaires.
There are also a lot of hotels that used to have nice Central Park Views for tourists that no longer will have them ... Its not just billionaires that lose their views.
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Old December 15th, 2016, 06:40 PM   #1066
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There are also a lot of hotels that used to have nice Central Park Views for tourists that no longer will have them ... Its not just billionaires that lose their views.
That's true, but while it may not be the same it's still thrilling for tourists to be in the midst of the concrete canyon for a few days.
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Old December 16th, 2016, 02:14 AM   #1067
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I'm also not sure that I've heard anybody who is anti-the fake windows offer up any other compelling solution to the problem.
Put real windows in and make those rooms the staff's rooms ... or make them into in Apartment offices for the tenants.
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Old December 16th, 2016, 09:53 AM   #1068
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Put real windows in and make those rooms the staff's rooms ... or make them into in Apartment offices for the tenants.
But that's the whole deal, there is no room for a room there.
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Old December 16th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #1069
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They could have adjusted the core to be more in the center of the building, which would allow for some rooms on the south side, but the problem is that the building is SO narrow that moving the core to the center would mean the central park-facing rooms (mostly living rooms, kitchens, important rooms) would have to be made smaller to compensate. It's not worth losing space in the more valuable rooms just to add some small office or staff rooms with no views.
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Old December 17th, 2016, 12:40 AM   #1070
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They could have adjusted the core to be more in the center of the building, which would allow for some rooms on the south side, but the problem is that the building is SO narrow that moving the core to the center would mean the central park-facing rooms (mostly living rooms, kitchens, important rooms) would have to be made smaller to compensate. It's not worth losing space in the more valuable rooms just to add some small office or staff rooms with no views.
It appears from looking at some of the original versions that they considered a number of different options. This early render clearly seems to indicate apartments that face W 57th Street, so perhaps sometime in one of the iterations (perhaps as part of settling the issue with Central Park Tower) that it was decided to re-orient everything toward the park.

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Old December 17th, 2016, 01:14 AM   #1071
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The Pritzker is typically only given to architects who espouse high modernist principles. If Stern were ever awarded it would be more of a lifetime achievement type award than anything else. He has won the Driehaus and Scully Prizes though (which have a larger payout and celebrate all forms of architecture). I'm honestly not sure Stern regards the Pritzker very highly anyway. That award is something like the Oscar for architecture -- more about politics and a particular ideology than anything else. There are a great many influential architects who may never be considered like Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk or Leon Krier simply because they do not play by a strict modernist canon.
I always wanted to ask this question, here we go: Stern? Is that you?
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Old December 19th, 2016, 08:14 PM   #1072
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I always wanted to ask this question, here we go: Stern? Is that you?
LOL no. I don't think Bob frequents skyscraper forums or even really uses a computer (though I think people in his office do based on some of their instagram posts). He is also WAAAY more of a polemic than I am.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 03:24 AM   #1073
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It appears from looking at some of the original versions that they considered a number of different options....

So sad that the tower doesn't look like the initial renders
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Old December 24th, 2016, 07:16 PM   #1074
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skinniest tower on the skyline?


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Old December 26th, 2016, 12:40 AM   #1075
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Old December 26th, 2016, 05:17 AM   #1076
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Old December 27th, 2016, 03:49 AM   #1077
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This thing has to be just about topped out. Maybe one or two more floors?
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Old December 27th, 2016, 04:30 AM   #1078
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Apparently they topped out last week on the residential floors, unless they were also counting the crown.
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Old December 28th, 2016, 04:05 PM   #1079
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Just like the Trump World Tower from the side.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 04:14 AM   #1080
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For now.
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