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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:15 PM   #1261
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Yeah, it is. It's worse because its' attempting to ape an old style so closely - but makes a mess of it because we don't have that stone work available today for the costs . It does some very cheap looking fašade though compared to the real thing so comes across as poor architecture. I'd rather a glass structure. A glass neo-modernist buiding could be far more interesting than this Disneyland piece of trash. I'd even prefer a simple Mies building here than this fake art-deco. Art is subjective. Don't' tell me what standards to have buddy.

To each his own, but I am definitely very glad that NY keeps adding a couple of non-glass skyscrapers such as 30 park place, 220 CPS, Park Lane to add to its long-hailed diversity. Although, I am thrilled to see all the glass towers rising, I am even more so to see these beauties shoot up every once in a while.

Also, you may be correct that these towers look pretty bland up close compared to Woolworth, but in the skyline or from just a short distance away, these are some mind-blowing beauties right there.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:26 PM   #1262
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Yeah, it is. It's worse because its' attempting to ape an old style so closely - but makes a mess of it because we don't have that stone work available today for the costs . It does some very cheap looking fašade though compared to the real thing so comes across as poor architecture. I'd rather a glass structure. A glass neo-modernist buiding could be far more interesting than this Disneyland piece of trash. I'd even prefer a simple Mies building here than this fake art-deco. Art is subjective. Don't' tell me what standards to have buddy.
They could, but they are not, that's the point. Very few all glass buildings are interesting. In the past they were only praised for their height and novelty, but when it comes to architectural detail they are far behind even this "attempt" at simulating a classical style.

Of course I'm going to criticize your standards when they are hypocritical. Apply the same standard of critique to both, if not, your words are wisps in the wind.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:43 PM   #1263
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I guess it's all down to personal preference. I like the look of this tower, it doesn't strike me as tacky at all, and harmonizes well with the older buildings. I like glass towers too, but just having all glass boxes creates an environment that can come across too sterile.
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Old October 27th, 2017, 07:00 PM   #1264
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Not the last tower indeed ....

In context with the architect, but has nothing to do with 220: https://newyorkyimby.com/2017/10/rev...h-village.html
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Old October 28th, 2017, 10:44 AM   #1265
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I like how these stone buildings look and don't think they're tacky. Stone just feels more organic and livable than a 1000' wall of glass, and it also adds more visual weight to the building. There's something about looking up at a stone skyscraper that gives off a sense of permanence and timelessness that you just don't get from a glass building, which often looks light and fragile.

And I don't think RAMSA is trying to "ape" art deco style so much as to adapt classical architectural rules to today's standards. The stone-veneer and "fake" windows on this building (which I believe are what are causing people to call this building tacky) are no less for aesthetic purposes than a sloped roof on a house would be, for example. Sloped roofs aren't necessary with today's engineering, but you will still find them on most houses because architecturally it just makes sense and keeps a house from looking hideous. Does that make 95% of all houses tacky because they have "aesthetic" sloped roofs when they could have flat ones?

Architecture tends to follow a set of rules that are often only for aesthetic purposes. Following these rules just makes a building more pleasing to the eye and will help the building age gracefully and never look outdated. The same may not apply for all of these modernist glass buildings.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 10:57 AM   #1266
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Old November 7th, 2017, 01:50 PM   #1267
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Looking at this last page I realize conservative people are as usual - the worst.
1. This is not and will never be an Art Deco building, not even close to the principles that Art Deco emerged from. The principles shaped the buildings thruout centuries.
2.Progress in working space is most certainly going to continue, no matter if you like glass boxes with massive space and even more massive natural light inside the office, or living room.
3. This whole situation is starting to get pathetic. Here's how: in London the same people who were against the construction of the Gherkin, now want to protect the building from other skyscrapers rising in its surroundings, yep as ignorant as that.

Stop being the brake of progress. You'll end up being the ignorant, even if you try hard to look smart now.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 03:15 PM   #1268
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Yeah, it is. It's worse because its' attempting to ape an old style so closely - but makes a mess of it because we don't have that stone work available today for the costs . It does some very cheap looking fašade though compared to the real thing so comes across as poor architecture. I'd rather a glass structure. A glass neo-modernist buiding could be far more interesting than this Disneyland piece of trash. I'd even prefer a simple Mies building here than this fake art-deco. Art is subjective. Don't' tell me what standards to have buddy.
Oh blah.
His downtown tower works well on the skyline and successfully counterpoints the shiny glass boxes of the wtc. It looks like it's always been there. Even the pre cast concrete panels worked out surprisingly well.
This one will do the same working in tandem with the extell tower that's basically intersecting boxes wrapped in very reflective, silvery glass. The two will prob end up being a visually interesting, contrasting pair.
All glass all modern can quickly become boring AF
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Old November 7th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #1269
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Old November 8th, 2017, 07:20 PM   #1270
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Old November 20th, 2017, 12:32 PM   #1272
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Old November 21st, 2017, 02:57 PM   #1273
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 07:05 PM   #1274
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Old November 24th, 2017, 07:45 PM   #1275
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Old November 24th, 2017, 09:47 PM   #1276
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I guarantee this won't be the last Stern tower in NYC. The market has spoken.

It's obvious that he's not trying to approach "real Art Deco," but making a modern structure that doesn't follow the complete break with everything that existed before modernism. That's neither kitsch nor nostalgia.
I sure hope it's not the last. Nothing more bland or predictable than a glass box which you can see anywhere on earth. My only complaint with Stern's high rise buildings in NYC is that they don't vary quite enough to make each one a bit more individual but they are still a welcome relief from the sheer boredom of the never ending glass facade. His designs are anything but Kitsch.
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Old November 25th, 2017, 08:03 AM   #1277
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220 Central Park South so thinnest building is amazing only 150 apartment for this
66 floors are sure? I reading other days ago mention that 72 floors?
I assume that 6 floors use swim or gym or lobby something like that
I guess market 72 floors I don’t know that
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Old November 26th, 2017, 06:23 PM   #1278
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A simply wonderful tower, a pity it‘s not a supertall.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 10:53 AM   #1279
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Old November 28th, 2017, 10:58 AM   #1280
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Do pictures actually do justice to this buildings beauty?
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