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Old December 27th, 2012, 04:00 AM   #81
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this project is amazing!
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Old January 26th, 2013, 01:58 AM   #82
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The Big Dig is getting into another stage - they've started demolishing building standing in the middle of the way.



And here you can see some comparison pics which were taken exactly from this building: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2005


As you can see putting rebars and pouring concrete into future underground station continues, as well as revitalization of the EC1.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #83
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This thread and development looks so exiting. Love the Power station east redevelopment. Great for Lodz, for years overshadowed by Warsaw.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #84
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This project will build Lodz back on the right track again, right?
Will this project bust up the popularity, population and economy of Lodz? Cause I have heard that this city needs this project very badly, and that the city is starting to get Detroit-ed.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 10:03 PM   #85
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Those are some cool projects! Happy for Lodz, and Poland!
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Old January 26th, 2013, 10:36 PM   #86
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This project will build Lodz back on the right track again, right?
Will this project bust up the popularity, population and economy of Lodz? Cause I have heard that this city needs this project very badly, and that the city is starting to get Detroit-ed.
Actually Łódź is now in much better position than Detroit.

Yes, depopulation is inreasing, but mostly as suburbanization.
Yes, we've got a lot of neglected old buildings, but at least we've kept our heritage almost intact and as you can see we can benefit from that (ec power station).
Yes, people are poor and without work, but we are placed in the middle of Poland next to very important intersection so the city is starting to attract some investments and new people as well.
Region is receving money from EU funds so we can afford huge investments like these - It would be totally impossible to spend ~0,5mld USD at one time without help.

The future seems to be brighter than it was for decades


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Old January 26th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #87
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Actually Łódź is now in much better position than Detroit.

Yes, depopulation is inreasing, but mostly as suburbanization.
Yes, we've got a lot of neglected old buildings, but at least we've kept our heritage almost intact and as you can see we can benefit from that (ec power station).
Yes, people are poor and without work, but we are placed in the middle of Poland next to very important intersection so the city is starting to attract some investments and new people as well.
Region is receving money from EU funds so we can afford huge investments like these - It would be totally impossible to spend ~0,5mld USD at one time without help.

The future seems to be brighter than it was for decades


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Good to know and see that Lodz is shining again. Im glad for Lodz, this city deserves it.

This city will be a new high-light for Poland, a new booming city, am I right? And these projects will help the city to fight the unemployment and help the demography of the city (increasing population after the projects are finished), right?

If I am correct, than I am glad for Lodz! Cheers for Lodz!
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Old January 27th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #88
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Good to know and see that Lodz is shining again. Im glad for Lodz, this city deserves it.
Oh, Łódź is definitely NOT shining yet. We are at the begginig of the way after years of neglection caused by communists. You can see It on Street View - a lot of paint is required
https://maps.google.pl/maps?q=lodz,+...53.53,,0,-14.5


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This city will be a new high-light for Poland, a new booming city, am I right?
Hmm, we will see. But after the communists era and years of transformation every city is developing faster... Łódź still not as fast as other cities, but that might change.


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And these projects will help the city to fight the unemployment and help the demography of the city (increasing population after the projects are finished), right?
These projects certainly are going to help, but they won't stop the process for sure. Łódź is losing ~ 5000 ppl per year, It's really fast, and really hard to stop.


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Old January 27th, 2013, 12:48 AM   #89
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Oh, Łódź is definitely NOT shining yet. We are at the begginig of the way after years of neglection caused by communists. You can see It on Street View - a lot of paint is required
https://maps.google.pl/maps?q=lodz,+...53.53,,0,-14.5
But it will eventually shine. Every city in Europe need atleast one building to be painted, there are and will always be damaged buildings. For example, here in Karlskrona (Sweden) we got a lot of building that need to get refreshed and painted. Thats just the way it is. Trust me.



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Hmm, we will see. But after the communists era and years of transformation every city is developing faster... Łódź still not as fast as other cities, but that might change.
It sure will!



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These projects certainly are going to help, but they won't stop the process for sure. Łódź is losing ~ 5000 ppl per year, It's really fast, and really hard to stop.
But they will in the end stop these decrease, thats for sure. And in the end, Lodz will see a increase of investment, population and popularity (like Warsaw, Poznan and Wroclaw etc. are seeing).
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Old January 27th, 2013, 01:15 AM   #90
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But it will eventually shine. Every city in Europe need atleast one building to be painted, there are and will always be damaged buildings. For example, here in Karlskrona (Sweden) we got a lot of building that need to get refreshed and painted. Thats just the way it is. Trust me.
I've seen some cities in my life (in Sweden too - I sailed on yacht this year to Visby, beautiful city), but I NEVER seen as neglected city as Łódź.
Can you belive that more than 3000 old buildings are qualified for demolishing?
Detroit's situation was similar or better but they still got rid of them... And the city looks awful now, just like Houston.
It won't happen in Łódź, but we have to spend millions to bring them to life and good state.
Łódź is widely known as the most neglected city in Europe, but with HUGE potential.

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But they will in the end stop these decrease, thats for sure. And in the end, Lodz will see a increase of investment, population and popularity (like Warsaw, Poznan and Wroclaw etc. are seeing).
Actually Poznań is experiencing almost as big depopulation as Łódź. But It's visual, economical and social state is much better.


You can come here and see for yourself - Łódź is still beautiful, but very... alternative now
It's a little bit like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=0Y3lenYptZo
Not that bad of course

Then you could revisit us in like 20 years and see what has changed
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Old January 27th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #91
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Łódź is widely known as the most neglected city in Europe
Sorry, but I have to say this is not true.
It has a bad reputation in Poland, some things spoken abut Lodz are true and some are not.
For example, crime rate is surprisingly low - even lower than Wroclaw's crime rate.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #92
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I've seen some cities in my life (in Sweden too - I sailed on yacht this year to Visby, beautiful city), but I NEVER seen as neglected city as Łódź.
Can you belive that more than 3000 old buildings are qualified for demolishing?
Detroit's situation was similar or better but they still got rid of them... And the city looks awful now, just like Houston.
It won't happen in Łódź, but we have to spend millions to bring them to life and good state.
Łódź is widely known as the most neglected city in Europe, but with HUGE potential.
Some cities has more and some has less. It is good that Lodz isnt demolising it. Better spend millions, than empty up the city. Lodz probably is the most neglected city in Europe, but only for a while, this will change (as we can see). And as you said, Lodz is a city with huge potential, which will help the city to boost and give huge benefit.



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Actually Poznań is experiencing almost as big depopulation as Łódź. But It's visual, economical and social state is much better.


You can come here and see for yourself - Łódź is still beautiful, but very... alternative now
Then you could revisit us in like 20 years and see what has changed
Indeed I will. But the Poznan case, isnt it due to suburbs? People leaving Poznan to buy houses just a mile outside the city (because it has lower crime, safer, better school and cheaper rent/houses) but they still work in Poznan.
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chmielok - I'm talking about visual state of buildings, not crime

Of course, there are some cities almost as bad - even in Italy, but we cannot fool ourselves until we change something.
As for now, I 'sell' It by It's alternative and specific feel, so much different than in typical European 'postcard-ish' city.


Orionol - It is, but In Łódź It's partly (hopefully) too.

See this thread - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...94112&page=599
This is how we make Łódź beautiful
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BTW, when will this project be finished? I can see that you renovate Lodz beautifuly. Impressive!
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Power station EC1 - middle 2014
Undergaround station - in 2015
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Power station EC1 - middle 2014
Undergaround station - in 2015
Thats not to long. But what is the Power station? I thought they would only build the train station, new city center and thats it.
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But you have to remember this is only the beginning. The whole district have to be built.
Houses, offices - these can't be funded from public money. And they shouldn't.
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But you have to remember this is only the beginning. The whole district have to be built.
Houses, offices - these can't be funded from public money. And they shouldn't.
Ofcourse, but than I ask, how long will the whole district be finished (with those buildings, offices, houses etc.)? That is a tricky question, isnt it. Who will be the mainly investors in this district? Foreign company or domestic company? I believe it would be better if domestic company invests in these area and build offices around the center. There arent a lot of Polish-owned companies in Poland (or Lodz in this case), compared to foreign-owned company in Poland.
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Residential buildings are likely to be built by Polish companies, offices will be probably built by both foreign and local companies.
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Residential buildings are likely to be built by Polish companies, offices will be probably built by both foreign and local companies.
Okay, good to know.
Thank you both Chmielok and Dexter2, for explaining Lodz's situation for me. I appreciate it!!!
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