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Old April 1st, 2011, 11:51 PM   #1
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BUENOS AIRES | Tramways & Light Rail

Although there is a thread about Buenos Aires rail transport, but I think it will be better to open a separate thread about Buenos Aires tram. The present thread should be kept for metro & suburban train system, and this new thread should be kept for tram & light rail sytem. POST AS MANY AS PHOTOS OF BUENOS AIRES TRAM PHOTO HERE.

Actually, Buenos Aires has presently three separate tram systems.

Buenos Aires once had a very very large tram network (857 Km, approximately 535 miles). It was included street running, reserved track, and underground (first and only in South America) tramlines. Almost every streets and roads of this city carried tramlines, some were single and some were double track. The metro line A, started its life as an underground tramline. Its tram network was extended also to suburbs. It was being operated by 12 different private companies; one of them, the Anglo-Argentine Tramways Co., which started metro line A as an underground tram line, being perhaps the greatest in the world, with a total of 675 Km of tracks (420 miles approx.), a fleet of more than 3.000 cars served by 12.000 employees. Not in vain during some decades Buenos Aires was known as the "City of Trams". But very unfortunately, all this magnificence was maintained up to the forties was sustained and had a surge at the beginning of the sixties, being abruptly cut off at the end of 1962 due to a political decision.

After near 15 years, trams returned in Buenos Aires in 1980 as a heritage system, using same type of rolling stocks used before closure, and runs on a circular route. Its gaining popularity mainly among tourists inspired inhabitants of Buenos Aires to open a modern, high speed, reserve track tram service. This happened in 1987 with opening of 'pre-metro' tram. It became very popular in southern Buenos Aires, and after 20 years, another completely separate modern, high speed, reserve track tram service opened in eastern Buenos Aires, named 'tranvia del este'. These three systems are completely unlinked (although linked by metro), and use different rolling stocks. Both 'pre-metro' tram and 'tranvia del este' tram are popular among daily passengers, which uses feeder like service of the South America's oldest metro system.

Tranvia Del Este stocks are same as Mulhouse tram.

Searching wikipedia typing PREMETRO E2 and TRANVIA DEL ESTE will give good results.




This is the former tram map, compared my present metro map. Note the former tram line was how gigantically dense in city centre, and expanded to outside areas. Also look there were many isolated horse tram lines in past. It also served many far areas like Olivos, San Martin, Liniers, Temperley & Quilmes.

Line A was originally an underground tram line, which was converted to metro line later. Actually, Buenos Aires’s metro was opened as an underground tram (the only such system in South America) in 1913. Due to underground line, it was high capacity tramcars than ordinary tram lines. Rolling stocks were such as they had low footboard for surface portion & high footboard for underground portion (also perhaps the only such system in southern hemisphere). The same cars had both type of floor. But after sixties, when the former tram system were completely closed, all line A rolling stocks were changed for high floor only to operate as a fully metro system. Such adopted stocks could be still seen on the present heritage tram system.
Line B, C, D & E are also following the former tram route entirely.

In summary, Buenos Aires metro lines are all following the former tramway system, but despite opening since 1913, the metro has not expanded much as expected, and today it is still very small than former tram.

Planers should give thanks that they covered many areas of Buenos Aires by metro, which was formerly served by tram. Note: - Previous tram network was 800 Km!!!!!!!!!! Whereas current metro is only 50Km, and the current tram? Just only 12 km totaling all 3 tram systems!!!! Not even measurable.

Buenos Aires once had a gigantic tram network. Many routes were constructed gradually. But the bad patch started during sixties. Finally, the (former) largest tram network of Southern Hemisphere closed in 1964. Once for its huge tram system, Buenos Aires was called THE CITY OF TRAMWAY’.

Can anybody post here photos of some remains of former tram network?

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Old April 5th, 2011, 03:46 PM   #2
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Recently I’ve confused between the tram-light rail-metro-suburban train terms in Buenos Aires.

www.subways.net & www.urbanrail.net says that premetro will is a light rail, but www.lrta.org says that it is the first modern tram, whereis another opened later as tranvia del este. Also, many people say that Urquiza line is a metro. But others say it is a suburban rail line. I totally get confused.
Which definition is true? Urban rail fans of Buenos Aires please clear this.

My word is old, white & yellow vehicles are trams, & urquiza line is suburban train. Am I right?

My opinion is –
1) Buenos Aires has three different tram networks. After closing the former gigantic network, it first returned tram as a heritage system in 1980, using partly same & partly importing old rolling stocks. This system runs on a circular route near Caballito. The route is completely on street track. The most interesting thing is it uses a vehicle which was formerly used both as tram & metro, although later modified as full metro after closing the former tram system in 1964. After 7 years, it opened the first modern tram system in 1987 near Plaza De Los Veires. The system has two routes, run completely on reserved track with train like raised track with sleeper, ballast & platform with new single car white stock. This is a MODERN TRAM, not light rail because it has slower and shorter vehicles than light rail. After long 20 years the city opened another separate modern tram system in 2007 near Indepencia. It has only one route, using part of old goods train line, also run completely on reserved track with train like raised track with sleeper, ballast & platform with new single car white stock.
2) Urquiza line is actually a SUBURBAN RAIL line, NOT METRO, because it uses deferent stock than metro cars. Although it uses 3rd rail, but it is not metro.
3) Campo de Mayo line was originally a LIGHT RAIL line (perhaps one of the old light rail in world), but later converted to SUBURBAN RAIL line, which is currently running.
4) Tren de la costa is the TRUE LIGHT RAIL, because it uses heavier stock than so-called pre metro, and also runs in higher speed than pre-metro.

I’ve some questions (arose after viewing some websites). Please answer one by one
1) Is there a plan to extend tranvia del este to Reiro & Constitucion in future?
2) Is there any remaining of previous tram network in Buenos Aires?
3) Why Buenos Aires closed its tram, and why again returned?
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Old April 5th, 2011, 03:50 PM   #3
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2 photos of new tram

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Old April 5th, 2011, 04:18 PM   #4
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2 photos of new tram
It still has the mulhouse stickers on it!
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Old April 9th, 2011, 02:00 AM   #5
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Ferrocarril General Urquiza: it´s an interurban railway, a suburban electric service is operated within the Grand Buenos Airea area. Trough operation with subway line B was envisaged (originally they belonged to the same company) but never worked that way.
The "A" subway line worked as a subway up to Primera Junta, where some trains continued to the surface; the trains were "heavy metro" style but having two sets of doors, the middle ones at platform level, and those at the car ends at street level. A few years later in the ´20s, the surface operation was cutted, passed to the tram route 1, and the subway cars get new bodies, the same you can see today.
The E-2 premetro line is feeder service, more tram like rather than LRT. This is the first post-closure modern tram.
The Tren de la Costa runs on a re-gauged former suburban rail branch using Spanish made articulated trams.
The Tranvía del Este is more a "toy" demonstration route working with a single leased tram (currently an ex Madrid car) instead of a true commercial service; it´s plenty of plans here, but it´s hard to say if they are going to be fulfilled any time.
Buenos Aires trams ceased by 1962 if I´m not wrong; the reasons for that may be the same given elsewhere in the world.
Mr A. Morrison made a great map.

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Old April 10th, 2011, 09:27 PM   #6
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PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE OF BUENOS AIRES TRAM

PAST –

Buenos Aires tram started as horse tram. Finally it started as electric tram in 1897. On 22 April l897 opened electric tram service, which toured the Las Heras from Canning to the gates of the Plaza Italia. According to contemporary chroniclers have a distinguished group of guests attended the first trip and enjoyed it like an adventure, since the vehicle was traveling at 30 kilometers per hour, which was a high rate for the time. A journalist then published about the following comment: “It is a demonic hulk of a vehicle devil devours the distance with a frightening speed. "

Subsequently, on December 4, 1897, opened another line linking Entre Rios Avenue neighborhood of Flores and was from this time began to increase the traffic of the new type of tram through the streets of Buenos Aires, the which thus came to the neighborhood and became a popular service friendly.

At this point it is worth remembering the legendary ticket vending worker who is between five and seven o'clock at the price of five cents, or half the normal rate. When workers pulled ticket round trip at a cost of ten cents, the return should materialize by the afternoon after 16.00. The classic and popular ticket worker was abolished November 11, 1949.

The tram was an extraordinary and important transportation system that stood the test of different political spectrums, but ultimately could not overcome strong and influential economic interests who felt harmed by their success and pressured the authorities to abolish the system that had as its protagonist.

Bad patch started during sixties like many cities around the world. By Executive Order of October 1961, decided to remove the tram service on the grounds of obsolescence and huge deficits. Soon those stations belonging to different lines were closed. Don Aquilino Gonzalez Podesta recalled that the date for final to end the rail service was on 26 December l962, the day was a warm farewell tribute from the merchants in the neighborhood of Belgrano. However, the latest shot lines, i.e. the numbers 20 and 38; they did until Sunday February 19, 1963. This extinct trams in the city of Buenos Aires, but not nostalgic memory.

An article in the 17 May 1872 edition of the English journal Engineering called the Argentine capital "The City of Tramways" because, it believed, it had more miles of street railway per capita than any other city in the world. Tramway development continued unabated for the next half century. Fifteen different companies opened electric tram lines between 1897 and 1922! All the systems eventually merged and were municipalized in 1939. All this magnificence was maintained up to the forties, was sustained and had a surge at the beginning of the sixties; being abruptly cut off at the end of 1962 due to a political decision. The city's last tram ran on the Lanús suburban line on New Year's Eve 1964.

The network was largest in southern hemisphere. There were 99 routes!!! It covers service to De Liniers, Primera Junta, Plaza de Mayo, Pza. Constitución, Villa Eva Perón, Republiquetas y Cramer, Retiro, Lacarra y Rivadavia, Chiclana y Avda. La Plata, Puente Uriburu, Jardín Zoológico, Puente Pueyrredón, Boca, Chacarita, Aduana, Honduras y Godoy Cruz, Centro, Sarandi, Recoleta, Avellaneda, B. Norte, Lanús Oeste, Policlínico Fiorito, Once, Quilmes, Chiclana y Boedo, Plaza Italia, Parque Chacabuco, Correo Central, Puente Saavedra, Estación Saavedra, Godoy Cruz y Demaría, Villa Devoto, Barrancas de Belgrano, Mataderos, Flores, Parque de los Patricios, Paseo Colón y Chile, Caseros y Boedo, Policlínico Fiorito, Plaza Italia, Demaría y Oro, Caballito, Villa del Parque, Cementerio de Flores, Est. Río de Janeiro (Subte B), Barrancas de Belgrano, Palermo, Tribunales, Viamonte y Eduardo Madero, Villa Urquiza (2) & Vélez Sársfield.

PRESENT –

After 16 years, tram returned in Buenos Aires, Local enthusiasts formed the Asociación Amigos del Tranvía in 1976, imported tram 258 from Porto, Portugal, and inaugurated a Tramway Histórico in the Caballito district on 15 November 1980. Another Porto car, number 252, was imported in 1983 – and renumbered 652, and tram 9069 from Brussels, Belgium, arrived in 1988. It wasn't until 1997 that a former Buenos Aires car, number 3361, was added to the fleet. The Tramway Histórico operates on a 12-block loop of street track age used by rapid transit trains at the end of subte line "A". The most recent addition to the Tramway Histórico fleet – and perhaps the most startling to see – is tranvía subterráneo car 3 built in 1910 in England for "subway-surface" service on subte line "A". It has high-level doors for platform loading in the tunnel, and originally also had low-level doors at each end for loading on street.

Inspired by its success of these AAT enterprises, the rapid transit company constructed a completely new tram line in 1986. Pre metro route "E2" is a 7.4 km surface extension of subte line "E", from its terminus at Plaza de los Virreyes to Barrio General Savio [see map]. Revenue service was inaugurated in 1987 with eight rebuilt subte cars, which were replaced the following year by 17 completely new trams built by Materfer, a railway equipment manufacturer in Córdoba.

In 2006 the rail operator Ferrovías built a 12-block "demonstration" tramway called Tranvía del Este along a disused freight line in the Puerto Madero district, just east of the city centre ['TE' on the map]. The French manufacturer Alstom sent two of its multi-section trams, on loan, from the tramway system in Mulhouse, France. The Puerto Madero Tramway began operation on Bastille Day, 14 July 2007, and still runs today. Extensions are planned.

All 3 tram systems totally serve Caballito, Indipendente Saguire, General Savio, Centro Civico, Cordoba & Indipendencia. Heritage tram is fully on street track, but modern systems are fully on reserved tracks, with sperate stations, raised track with ballast & sleeper.

FUTURE –

I heard only about the extension of newest modern tram (tranvia del este). It will be extended to Retiro Rail Station in north & Constitucion rail station in south.



This car was formerly getting up from underground as underground tram. This hybrid car is now operating as a heritage vehicle in TRANVIA HISTORICO.



Former tram track is still remains in Sal Telmo area. Where is San Telmo? I heard heritage tram will use this strech in future, is it true? please write details.

Formerly most Kolkata tram tracks were same like that (before concretization).

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Old April 11th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #7
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you can see this in BA in almost every single street.

when it's not visible, it's coverted with asphalt!



the saddest thing is that most rails are new (as you can see in the pics), they have been renewed a year or two before tram was killed.
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What a surprise. After the former Mulhouse's yellow tram, at last Buenos Aires got its brand new red modernest tram!!

COMBINATION OF OLD & NEW SYSTEM

Current route 1 (historic tram) uses a former tram cum metro depot. The circular track was previously used by old tram. Formerly, metro cars also used that depot, and after some km, metros get down to underground for line A. Trams ran on surface. I heard that posrtion still exists and sometimes old trains of metro line A rests under that tram depot.

Current route 4 (eastern tram) crosses a former route near the south end.

The proposed extension of route 4 to Retiro will return tram in front of Retiro station.

The proposed extension of route 4 to Constitucion will run through many streets which were used by old tram network.

How history repeats!!!

So both Retiro & Constitucion will be served again by tram in future!!! Ooooh, I just can’t imagine. Both rails statios is now also served by metro. So from Retiro to constitucion, we can go both by tram & metro.

I’m also suggesting, like Lucan, new tramway should also run upto Olivos, San Martin, Liniers, Temperley & Quilmes.

I Heard Quilmes area also started running a heritage tram. Is it true? If yes, please post some photos, map & some details.
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i don't know about quilmes, but the A line trains are repaired in that old tram depot...it's a really big depot.

everyday I see an A line train in front of my house...
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The largest tram network of South Hemisphere was closed so foolishly here, infact tracks re-laid only before 2 or 3 years? Why they did wastage money of common people? Was there pressure from automobile industry?
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wasting money of common people it's the hobby of argentinian politics, the disaperance of the tram here, was due to a major movment against railroads and trains, known as the 'plan larkin' impulsed by our president at that time(Frondizi) and with USA lobby in favour of cars and buses, well the BA tram was caught on the crossfire...sadly
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Retiro station, which is already served by metro, will be again served by tram in future, just like before (see the photo above).



This is the future tram extension map to Retiro.
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This new tram opened in 1987.

Please try to answer these -
1) What is the target year of extending route 4 (tranvia del este) to Both Retiro & Constitucion?
2) Reserved or unreserved, - which type of track layout is common in Buenos Aires tramway network?
3) Which is the busiest tram terminus?
4) Which termini have interchange facility with metro & suburban rail network?
5) Where is/are the depot(s) of the tramway network?

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The rolling stock of Eastern tram is same as Mulhouse tram. That stock has recently introduced in Melbourne also, and in future, in will run in Brasilia.
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I heard that the eastern tram was converted from an old goods train line. Is it true? If yes, please write some details, and post some photos of old goods line.
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the line existed since puerto madero was built, (puerto madero was originally a port but due to bigger ships a new port was built) so the goods came there and then to europe/EEUU, it also was used to run trains for northen buenos aires province to southern parts of the province, also to reach LA plata Port from BA port

Black lines (broad or standard guage). different collor (meter guage). blak and yellow (mixed guage) no longer in use.


here is the yard almost never used only for passing trains.
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here U can see the tram runing next to a diferent guage line used for goods transport.
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Thank you very much for this rare information.

Is there any remains of the former tram network in Buenos Aires. I’ve got one at San Telmo (tracks). I want more. Please say if there are, and if yes, please post some photos and/or text of tracks, stops, masts, depots, termini, ways etc.
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there are plenty of tracks not yet covered along the city, in Caballito where i live there is the heritage tram.

heres a nice link from the topic, its in spanish but it has plenty of pictures.
http://ferrocarriles-amigosdelmundov...l-tranvia.html
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