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Old July 31st, 2016, 01:21 AM   #61
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Eliminate trains and pave the way for vehicles. That transit planning reeks 1940's. Couldn't they have come up with a combined solution instead? Retain the tramway, extend it on both ends and underneath it, a tunnel for vehicles?
That is what they are going to do with the "Red de Expresos Regionales", creating underground railway tunnels connecting Retiro, Once and Constitución.

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Old August 1st, 2016, 08:49 AM   #62
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Sad to see that Buenos Aires is again walking backward like 1966
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Old August 1st, 2016, 07:51 PM   #63
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It's almost the same ideology behind but fifty years later...
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Old August 27th, 2016, 02:25 AM   #64
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An 'entrepreneur' wants to dismantle the Tren de la Costa and instead build a park in its place. He says that he wants to copy The High Line in NYC...

Proponen convertir el Tren de la Costa en un parque

El emprendedor inmobiliario Tino Lutteral propuso en un artículo de Clarín que el Tren de la Costa sea levantado y convertido en un parque lineal, a la manera del High Line de Manhattan[...]
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An 'entrepreneur' wants to dismantle the Tren de la Costa and instead build a park in its place. He says that he wants to copy The High Line in NYC...

Proponen convertir el Tren de la Costa en un parque

El emprendedor inmobiliario Tino Lutteral propuso en un artículo de Clarín que el Tren de la Costa sea levantado y convertido en un parque lineal, a la manera del High Line de Manhattan[...]
Yep, that's really terrible news... Hopefully they'll never dismantle it... But whit the new goverment, I think they will...
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Old August 29th, 2016, 06:58 AM   #66
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Tramways of Buenos Aires





Almost a century ago, the tramways were the main massive transportation system of Buenos Aires, within the subway and the rail system. Like in the case of the United States, the public buses and the cars took the place of the tramways entirely. With the exception of the “Premetro” (who connects the “E” Line of the subway and the neighborhoods of Lugano and Soldati), the tramways completely dissapeared from the streets of Buenos Aires. In some streets, like the Las Heras Avenue, you may see the old tracks of the tramways, but they were mostly putted under the new paving works of the last half of the 20th century. But in Caballito, a very particular neighborhood of the west of the city, the Asociación de Amigos del Tranvía (translated: “Friends of the Tramway Asociation”) restored some of the old tramways and revitalized one of the circuits of the neighborhood, even passing trough the Rivadavia Avenue, the most traditional avenue in Buenos Aires and probably Argentina.






































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On the Light Rail "Tren de la Costa", on the north metropolitan area of Buenos Aires:


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Old September 25th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #69
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Moving the Tranvía del Este to the Premetro



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Old September 25th, 2016, 09:44 PM   #70
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Old September 26th, 2016, 05:45 PM   #71
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I am not sure if the Madrid imports of trams and trains are truly surplus, or as a result of service cuts in Madrid?

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Old January 7th, 2017, 03:27 PM   #72
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If anybody compare the first generation and second generation tramway systems in Buenos Aires, it is even not measurable. The old network was simply gigantic, just imagine the system length, it was 875 Kilometer, where as presently the largest tram network is in Melbourne, which is just 250 Kilometer. This only one example describes how dense was the network in past. Whereas the joint network of both present heritage and modern tram service is just 9 Km.

The 875 Kilometer tram network was completely electrified around 1920, including some underground tram routes, the first and only of its kind in South America. It also describes how modern the system was at that time. Today the metro line A we are seeing, it was in-fact originally an underground tram line. There were hybrid rolling stocks, which was both low level and high level stairs on same car, low for tram and high for metro service. Those cars could run both on street and on tunnel. When it was came on surface, it was acting as tramcar, although some cars served only I tunnel section as metro car. When the tram service closed in 1963, that hybrid cars were converted to operate as full metro, by destroying the low stairs. That street to tunnel track section is still present, but now used very occasionally and only by century old metro cars which runs occasionally as tourist season. That surface section has a depot cum workshop in Caballito which houses some century old metro cars, and some heritage tram cars.

The reason for closure of old system was a mix of global anti-tram craze, left to right hand surface traffic conversion, faster and cheaper motorbus service, rapidly expansion of metro system etc. Most part of metro line A & B was opened at that time. The line C was fully opened, and a part of line D & E was also opened. Those metro routes were opened on routes which were previously served by tram. At that time, metro served faster, frequent, undisturbed, smooth service, when trams were slower, disturbed by private cars and buses, so became got stuck in streets by traffic jams. People then started to travel metro than tram, so losses started, and between 10 years, it was much loss making. Surprisingly during this time, transport authority completely renewed tracks, wires, tramcars. I don’t know why they did some public money wastage, when they already planned to close the entire network within a decade, in fact double decker trams, which were ended service during twenties, were reintroduced.

Peoples could see many remains of former systems, mainly tracks, lies here and there on many streets in Buenos Aires. Those streets are cobble stoned like old days, tracks were still not much damaged because those were laid 4 to 5 years before of final closure.

Thankfully trams returned in Buenos Aires as two separate systems, one is heritage and another is modern. The heritage tram system opened in 1980 by some tram fans, now this system uses same rolling stocks, which were formerly used on the original network. They maintain the same colour livery, same design, both in interior and exterior, even the old route boards, which informs us part of original route description. These are high floor cars, uses trolley pole, and runs on a loop line around Caballito. The modern system opened 7 years after, that is in 1987, due to seeing the returned interest about tram, helped by heritage tram. These system uses low floor cars, and uses pantograph, and serves as a feeder service with metro (line E) southern part.

The concept of feeder tram service I personally preferred, because downtown Buenos Aires is now crowded, served satisfyingly by 6 metro routes, and the surface has overcrowded by bus, taxis and private cars, there opening a new tram system is not possible and not practical. The modern tram uses remote areas, where roads are wide, not automobile-crowded, and other transportation is not easily available.

I heard there were originally plans to construct many other modern tram lines. Those were—
E1—from Metro line E station Plaza de Los Virreyes to future station of Metro line H Saens.
H1—from General Savio tram terminus of tram line E2 to future station of Metro line H Saens.
D1—from Metro line D station Congreso de Tucuman to further north area.
C1—between Retiro and Constiticion rail and metro station, but on parallel away routes of route C.

None of these were materialized. The first three lines were ultimately replaced by metrobus service, and the last was previously partly substituted by now closed ‘Tranvia del Este’. In future a partly replacement will done by metro line E northern extension upto Retiro, although it will not served the Puerto Madero area. So the future of even the 2nd generation tram is not bright at all. One thing they can do easily, at least they could extend the line E2 towards Caballito, because it could extend the E2 service towards north, and will connect modern tram with heritage tram and metro line A, so people who are now using line A and the heritage tram, could interchange there, and could come to either metro line E or to go further south by line E2 with branches. Only 6 Kilometer track laying could to that, which will be not much costly, but will add definitely a lot of convenience to the people of South-central Buenos Aires.
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Sorry but I'll make you some corrections:
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When the tram service closed in 1963, that hybrid cars were converted to operate as full metro, by destroying the low stairs
The surface service was cancelled well before 1963: It ran for the last time on 31st of December 1926... The main reason to shut down this service was the lack of synchronization between surface and underground services due to the increasing car traffic at Rivadavia Avenue.
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I don’t know why they did some public money wastage, when they already planned to close the entire network within a decade
Because the anti-tram lobby started after the renovation and long term planing is very rare in Argentina.
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These system uses low floor cars
Not yet. Actual rolling stock is composed by a ten of high floor argentinian trams with german equipment, the Materfer-Siemens cars:



Soon is going to enter service this Alstom Citadis tram from the closed Tranvía del Este:
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E1—from Metro line E station Plaza de Los Virreyes to future station of Metro line H Saens.
H1—from General Savio tram terminus of tram line E2 to future station of Metro line H Saens.
D1—from Metro line D station Congreso de Tucuman to further north area.
C1—between Retiro and Constiticion rail and metro station, but on parallel away routes of route C.
The officially planned (in the early 80s) Premetro routes were the E1, E2 (the only one built but partially) and D1. The E1 should run between Plaza de Los Virreyes and Comandante Luis Piedrabuena habitational complex:



The D1 line is more recent (from the late 90s) and was only an idea proposed officially but never developed as a full project. The H1 was proposed by the opposition to the city's government after it announced the Metrobus del Sur BRT-like corridor. Finally, the C1 is an unofficial name used by some fellows on the argentinian subforum and other transport forums when they referred to the Tranvía del Este in a more rational way as a part of the subway network...

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Bravo, you've answered me to the point. Thanks for your updates, and the actual plans of 2nd generation tramway.

Unfortunately they are lobbying Metrobus, and the future of tram is also on dark I think.
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You're welcome! Yes, with this people in power we should forget about trams...
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Oh sorry, another point I have overlooked, i.e - there is another heritage tramway at Quilmes area. The heritage tram system opened in 2010 by some tram fans, now this system uses same rolling stocks, which were formerly used on the original network. They maintain the same colour livery, same design, both in interior and exterior, even the old route boards, which informs us part of original route description. These are high floor cars, uses trolley pole, and runs on a short line around Quilmes.
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Why didn't they build a new tram through the citycentre like in seattle?

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Seattle does not has metro system, so it given the importance to tram, Buenos Aires has a very good metro network in city centre.
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Why didn't they build a new tram through the citycentre like in seattle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7ClSAMCm2w
Because Buenos Aires has a ridiculously big bus system



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The Madrid Light Rail tram is still in Buenos Aires? I tought it gone back to Spain...
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