Energy, Power, and Utilities Industry

[Parchie]

Very, true, indeed: "They Devil is in the Details!".

[jpdm]

Originally Posted by Parchie

Nah! Enlighten us more about using a 21st century gadget on a century old infrastructure? No clues?

idiotic post.;

Originally Posted by Parchie

Very, true, indeed: "They Devil is in the Details!".

Nonsense from a nonsense guy.

Originally Posted by skyion

and unbelievably mediocre in asking questions as well, seemingly too automated as even lacking some personal ingenuity in addressing it.

Indeed.

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by jpdm

idiotic post.;



Nonsense from a nonsense guy.



Indeed.

Is that all you can muster? Maybe you are more knowledgeable on this Smart Grid thing? Say your beef, good buddy?

[bulabog jalaur]

Originally Posted by Greenfield

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...ticleId=813728

There is difficulty in implementing smart grid technology on the distribution side

to the customer, foremost the acceptance considering the cost and to educate

the customer on the technology.

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by bulabog jalaur

There is difficulty in implementing smart grid technology on the distribution side

to the customer, foremost the acceptance considering the cost and to educate

the customer on the technology.

Foremost, ours is an old electrical infra! When NPC bragged about SCADA before, we asked if the system operator can unilaterally adjust parameter settings of all remote generating/ point of common connection stations? We got a lot of answers but not a loud "YES"! It is therefore a SCADA with the "C" not active. C being "control" -> on a manual state!

That being the case, how much do we have to spend to achieve smart controllers/ management systems to control the system to attain the much ballyhooed "smart grid"? What good does it make having smart monitors/ metering apparatuses, when the system components cannot be made to respond and adjust by itself? Like I said, there are many cures being sold out there. One of them is snake oil, claiming to cure all ailments, but does it?

Bluntly, we have a mismatch between the infrastructure and this smart technology being peddled. You be the judge!

[RonnieR]

Suntech, Propmech install 571kW rooftop installation at ADB’s Manila headquarters


ADB's rooftop installation will generate 600MWh of electricity per year. Image: Business Enquirer

Suntech Power Holdings and Propmech advised that they had completed the installation of a 571kW rooftop solar project on Asian Development Bank’s (ADB) headquarters in Manila, Philippines. Using Suntech solar modules, and installed and integrated by Propmech, the solar array will produce over 600MWh of solar electricity per year. The companies note that this is the largest rooftop solar installation in the Philippines.

"We are excited to partner with Propmech and to inaugurate ADB's rooftop solar installation. This solar installation demonstrates that with innovative solar products and collaboration among bankable partners, solar can provide a cost-effective solution for electricity generation across Southeast Asia," commented Dr. Zhengrong Shi, founder, chairman and CEO of Suntech.

http://www.pv-tech.org/news/suntech_...n=newsnow-feed

[cyrusal]

Pure awesomeness! They have been funding green power generation for the region and this is a great demonstration of them practicing it.

[amigo32]

Originally Posted by Parchie

Foremost, ours is an old electrical infra! When NPC bragged about SCADA before, we asked if the system operator can unilaterally adjust parameter settings of all remote generating/ point of common connection stations? We got a lot of answers but not a loud "YES"! It is therefore a SCADA with the "C" not active. C being "control" -> on a manual state!

That being the case, how much do we have to spend to achieve smart controllers/ management systems to control the system to attain the much ballyhooed "smart grid"? What good does it make having smart monitors/ metering apparatuses, when the system components cannot be made to respond and adjust by itself? Like I said, there are many cures being sold out there. One of them is snake oil, claiming to cure all ailments, but does it?

Bluntly, we have a mismatch between the infrastructure and this smart technology being peddled. You be the judge!

simple and easy
scrap the old one and install the smart ass thingy

the thing is, the consumers will pay the new technology infrastructure

It's like upgrading an old Pentium PC to Core i7, walang matira sa luma kundi ang end user

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by amigo32

simple and easy
scrap the old one and install the smart ass thingy

the thing is, the consumers will pay the new technology infrastructure

It's like upgrading an old Pentium PC to Core i7, walang matira sa luma kundi ang end user

Hahahaha! Sobra naman yan. Linya na lang siguro ang maiwang luma dya'an!

[bulabog jalaur]

Originally Posted by Parchie

Foremost, ours is an old electrical infra! When NPC bragged about SCADA before, we asked if the system operator can unilaterally adjust parameter settings of all remote generating/ point of common connection stations? We got a lot of answers but not a loud "YES"! It is therefore a SCADA with the "C" not active. C being "control" -> on a manual state!

That being the case, how much do we have to spend to achieve smart controllers/ management systems to control the system to attain the much ballyhooed "smart grid"? What good does it make having smart monitors/ metering apparatuses, when the system components cannot be made to respond and adjust by itself? Like I said, there are many cures being sold out there. One of them is snake oil, claiming to cure all ailments, but does it?

Bluntly, we have a mismatch between the infrastructure and this smart technology being peddled. You be the judge!

Its doable to implement this smart grid technology in urban areas such as

metro manila. In fact meralco are planning to implement it on 2013.

[Greenfield]

Originally Posted by RonnieR

Suntech, Propmech install 571kW rooftop installation at ADB’s Manila headquarters


ADB's rooftop installation will generate 600MWh of electricity per year. Image: Business Enquirer

Suntech Power Holdings and Propmech advised that they had completed the installation of a 571kW rooftop solar project on Asian Development Bank’s (ADB) headquarters in Manila, Philippines. Using Suntech solar modules, and installed and integrated by Propmech, the solar array will produce over 600MWh of solar electricity per year. The companies note that this is the largest rooftop solar installation in the Philippines.

http://www.pv-tech.org/news/suntech_...n=newsnow-feed

The Philippine government can start a sort of project like this also.Starting with Malacanang, Dept of Energy and BSP.

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by bulabog jalaur

Its double to implement this smart grid technology in urban areas such as

metro manila. In fact meralco are planning to implement it on 2013.

AFAIK, Meralco is into "pre-paid" electric distribution! Meralco doesn't want a repeat of charging the customers for metering and then being ordered to refund later.

[jehyrson]

http://business.inquirer.net/64029/p...-luzon-visayas

State-run Power Sector Assets and Liabilities Management Corp. seeks to increase electricity rates in Luzon and the Visayas to recover from consumers P3.85 billion in foreign exchange related and fuel and purchased power costs.

When will there be ENOUGH for them.

[amigo32]

wow, sarap siguro mag negosyo sa power sector

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by amigo32

wow, sarap siguro mag negosyo sa power sector

Tama! Saan ka makakita ng negosyo na assured ka ng xx percent profit plus deductions on taxable amount on some items plus they can include projected performance improvement cost on their rate setting (performance-based rate making) and a lot more avenues to profit!

Bili ka na lang kaya ng stocks! Wag nang mag-problema paano magpatakbo ng kompaniya!

[dc88]

what do u think guys?
concentrated solar power in the philippines?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power

is it possible? given the weather..? are there western parts of the country mostly sunny?
this can be good in palawan..western half of the country,maybe the hottest regions in the philippines to maximize output..

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by dc88

what do u think guys?
concentrated solar power in the philippines?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power

is it possible? given the weather..? are there western parts of the country mostly sunny?
this can be good in palawan..western half of the country,maybe the hottest regions in the philippines to maximize output..

Nope. Palawan was raining cats and dogs for the past four days now! Maybe because the media is not including Palawan in the daily news weather forecasts resulting to your distorted assumption! We need to find correct weather data/ pattern to arrive at a serious feasibility assessment here.

[bulabog jalaur]

As much as i want to post it in science thread, but i think its more appropriate in
this thread.


MINESTO




How it works
Basically, the Deep Green “underwater kite” is a generator mounted on a wing, with a tether keeping it attached to the seabed. A rudder operates the wing, keeping it swinging in circles or in figures of eight. The generated current is passed through a wire within the tether. Clusters of units operate together as one power plant.

The tidal kite looks like a very a simple, ingenious design, a lightweight system that accelerates the current velocity by a factor ten, making tidal power operable in low current velocities. “We are increasing the potential tidal energy market with as much as 80% in regions located all over the world,” Anders Jansson, CEO and cofounder of Minestro, states on their web site.

Design advantages
The design solves many of the problems which tidal energy has been struggling with:
It utilizes low velocity currents meaning slow-moving water while other solutions need so called hot spots where the tides are strong. These are rare compared to the waters in which the kite can be deployed.
It’s a direct drive design, the swinging motions keep it at the optimal speed – no gearbox is required.
It can be installed at comparably large depths, 50-300 meters below the surface, which leads to 80% more exploitable area according to Minesto.
No tower is needed, making it easy to deploy offshore and less of an eyesore on the horizon.
Simpler construction using less material compared to other tidal solutions.
It’s easily maintainable, with a comparably low weight.
It can operate on all continents, at low tidal velocities and with ocean currents.

Data for the latest model
Power generation is rated at 850KW at 1.7m/s current velocity or more.
Up to 16 units can be deployed per square km (~0.4 square miles).
Clearance is 14-18m or more, meaning even container ships can pass over it.
The estimated lifespan is at least 20 years.

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by bulabog jalaur

As much as i want to post it in science thread, but i think its more appropriate in
this thread.


MINESTO




How it works
Basically, the Deep Green “underwater kite” is a generator mounted on a wing, with a tether keeping it attached to the seabed. A rudder operates the wing, keeping it swinging in circles or in figures of eight. The generated current is passed through a wire within the tether. Clusters of units operate together as one power plant.

The tidal kite looks like a very a simple, ingenious design, a lightweight system that accelerates the current velocity by a factor ten, making tidal power operable in low current velocities. “We are increasing the potential tidal energy market with as much as 80% in regions located all over the world,” Anders Jansson, CEO and cofounder of Minestro, states on their web site.

Design advantages
The design solves many of the problems which tidal energy has been struggling with:
It utilizes low velocity currents meaning slow-moving water while other solutions need so called hot spots where the tides are strong. These are rare compared to the waters in which the kite can be deployed.
It’s a direct drive design, the swinging motions keep it at the optimal speed – no gearbox is required.
It can be installed at comparably large depths, 50-300 meters below the surface, which leads to 80% more exploitable area according to Minesto.
No tower is needed, making it easy to deploy offshore and less of an eyesore on the horizon.
Simpler construction using less material compared to other tidal solutions.
It’s easily maintainable, with a comparably low weight.
It can operate on all continents, at low tidal velocities and with ocean currents.

Data for the latest model
Power generation is rated at 850KW at 1.7m/s current velocity or more.
Up to 16 units can be deployed per square km (~0.4 square miles).
Clearance is 14-18m or more, meaning even container ships can pass over it.
The estimated lifespan is at least 20 years.

Any working pilot power unit like this? If all that is claimed are true, many would buy this thing, ora mismo!

[bulabog jalaur]

Their website says, they will deploy Deep Green array in 2015 at 3 MW and

increase it to 10 MW.Presently, what i understand it is still on trial stages.