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Old December 29th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #181
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I read about this today, I hope cooler heads prevail and heavy rail is chosen. I can only think of a few airports with a tram connection, Edinburgh and Manchester, both are a lot closer to there respective CBD's than Auckland is and Bergen which is currently under construction. Heavy rail is more common and has a lot of advantages over light rail.

Heavy rail makes more sense, there is already a railhead at Onehunga, it's only 10km from there to the airport, logically the line should continue on to Manukau Station, then you could run passenger trains from as far away as Hamilton or anywhere else on the network transferring at Papakura to the Auckland network. It could even be used as justification to electrify the line to Pukekohe or even close the gap to Hamilton. It rejuvenate passenger rail in the North Island.

If they go with light rail it will be a long wait for the proposed light rail network to be built, extending to AKL will take even longer, plus where are the benefits for rail passenger services in NZ, and it's a smaller catchment area. I also don't see how a tram line with 14 stops between Onehunga and Britomart is only 6 minutes longer than the heavy rail solution with approx 8 stops?

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Old December 30th, 2015, 07:41 AM   #182
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Dunno when you last went back to Auckland, Rob, but the Onehunga line is a bit... Slow (I'm here now). It needs a full double-track for it to get up to speed. Now I'm not sure what the proposal there is, and whether they plan on making the expensive double track solution possible there (or whether there is sufficient ROW to do that).

I agree with the Dominion Rd Light Rail scheme, but not to the airport. I'd rather have the rail if possible, but that hinges on the duplication at Onehunga.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 03:17 PM   #183
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Can't they just build an airport branch line from the Southern line rather than Onehunga?
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Old December 30th, 2015, 04:42 PM   #184
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An eventual branch line from Puhinui + the lightrail line would be a pretty good outcome I think.
The branch line would be significantly cheaper to build and the ROW to Westfield is wide enough to allow for extra track.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 07:10 PM   #185
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Dunno when you last went back to Auckland, Rob, but the Onehunga line is a bit... Slow (I'm here now). It needs a full double-track for it to get up to speed. Now I'm not sure what the proposal there is, and whether they plan on making the expensive double track solution possible there (or whether there is sufficient ROW to do that).

I agree with the Dominion Rd Light Rail scheme, but not to the airport. I'd rather have the rail if possible, but that hinges on the duplication at Onehunga.
I had read that part of the funding for the CRL also includes double tracking the Onehunga Branch line, I don't know how accurate this is.

I also wonder if AT were clever and designed Manukau station to be converted from a terminus to a through station. The AIL master plan calls for rail from the CBD and Manukau.
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Old January 9th, 2016, 12:42 AM   #187
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Interesting.

I wonder if it were possible to route the heavy rail on the surface along that highway. I don't think that it would take TOO much more work than installing light rail.
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Old January 27th, 2016, 03:23 PM   #188
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From Rail Journal:

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Work to begin early on Auckland City Rail Link
Wednesday, January 27, 2016



MAJOR construction works on Auckland's long-proposed 3.4km City Rail Link are set to start in 2018, two years ahead of its previous start date, after New Zealand's prime minister Mr John Key announced the government will commit to funding half of the $NZ2.5bn ($US 1.6bn) project

The underground rail link will connect the existing underground terminus station at Britomart with the Western Line at Mount Eden via the city centre with two new underground stations at Albert Street and Karangahape Road. Construction could be completed in 2023

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Old January 27th, 2016, 03:29 PM   #189
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Yep, best news of all from Auckland. I also have a load of videos from Auckland that I need to start processing.
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Old January 27th, 2016, 09:12 PM   #190
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Wow? Auckland is getting subway!!!? Bam straight up highest train capacity to population ratio in the world.
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Wow? Auckland is getting subway!!!? Bam straight up highest train capacity to population ratio in the world.
Not quite - Stockholm for example has a really quite large metro system relative to its population.

But that said it's a massive step forward to build a proper loop. Still a commuter hybrid system (like those in Sydney or Melbourne for example) but exactly what Auckland needs at the moment. When I was back there a few weeks ago I was really impressed with the improvements - Panmure station for example, and the new electric trains. The trains also seemed far more reliable when I used them as well.

All I can say is thank you to Len Brown. He has been a breath of fresh air when it comes to public transport in Auckland. I remember when he was voted in as mayor of Manukau, and what a difference he was. Private life indiscretions aside, he's been the best thing to happen to politics in Auckland since I first lived there in 2005.
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When I was back there a few weeks ago I was really impressed with the improvements - Panmure station for example, and the new electric trains. The trains also seemed far more reliable when I used them as well.
I was there a couple of weeks ago myself and was impressed with the reorganised link buses in the inner city. Really useful and easy to follow for a visitor. Signage and maps/info at the bus stops could definitely have been better though.

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"Days after his October 2013 re-election stories broke regarding Brown having a two-year extramarital affair with a younger woman who served on an Auckland Council advisory board, and having sex with this woman in the mayoral office and town hall..."

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But that said it's a massive step forward to build a proper loop. Still a commuter hybrid system (like those in Sydney or Melbourne for example) but exactly what Auckland needs at the moment.
Tbh, I think what Auckland really needs is a better bus system. Increase the frequency of bus, improve the accuracy of timing, and have some form of midnight line during weekends.

Instead of digging tunnels for subway, I think widening highways and roads for bus-only lanes (like the North Shore part of Highway 1), would be much cheaper and effective.

While I really do appreciate the fact Auckland is stepping the game up in building a subway, I just think such mass transport system is really cost-ineffective for a city with such low density.
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Auckland is only building a "subway" in one part of the city centre...it is hardly going to be a totally new train system.
Having said that, it is the right thing to do, Sydney and Melbourne both built underground city centre train sections in the past and this has proven to be a smart move for future transport growth. It enhances the network because more people are able to access jobs/night life via a fast train service (in comparison to buses)
I am sure the new section of the Auckland train network will increase patronage, perhaps Auclkand needs to consider making more buses in the outer suburbs "feeder buses" only to the train network. This has been successfully tried in Perth resulting in added public transport patronage.
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Wow? Auckland is getting subway!!!? Bam straight up highest train capacity to population ratio in the world.
You can't be serious. Even with this extension (which is only 3km long) Auckland will still have on of the tiniest rail networks in the world for a city of its size
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Tbh, I think what Auckland really needs is a better bus system. Increase the frequency of bus, improve the accuracy of timing, and have some form of midnight line during weekends.

Instead of digging tunnels for subway, I think widening highways and roads for bus-only lanes (like the North Shore part of Highway 1), would be much cheaper and effective.

While I really do appreciate the fact Auckland is stepping the game up in building a subway, I just think such mass transport system is really cost-ineffective for a city with such low density.
This project isn't so much about extending network coverage but more about increasing capacity on the existing network. The problem today is that Britomart station (the downtown station) is a dead end and trains arriving there have to terminate. The tunnel will create a through link so trains can run through Britomart instead, and that will effectively double the capacity of the entire network. Patronage on the network has already increased by 700% over the past decade (2.2 mill vs 15.4 mill) and is nearing the network capacity, so a $1.6 billion USD, 3.5 kilometre tunnel doesn't sound like a bad investment at all, especially considering Auckland's continued patronage and population growth and densification.

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I am sure the new section of the Auckland train network will increase patronage, perhaps Auclkand needs to consider making more buses in the outer suburbs "feeder buses" only to the train network. This has been successfully tried in Perth resulting in added public transport patronage.
That's something I think most Australian cities can improve on, particularly for the smaller stations in the middle-outer 'burbs, not just Auckland (though it's good that Sydney has recognised the need to integrate the fares now).
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To kick a bit of life into this thread, I thought I'd share a video of Newmarket station that I took back in the end of December 2015. The electric trains look really nice, and are such an improvement over the ex-Perth diesel trains, and the SA sets.

So, here we go.

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How often do train services run along that line?
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How often do train services run along that line?
6 trains per hour off-peak, 12 trains per hour peak. This is divided between three different lines.

Western line = 2tph off-peak, 4tph peak.
Southern Line = 3tph off-peak and 6tph peak.
Onehunga Line = 1tph off-peak and 2tph peak.

Upgrades are occurring on the line.
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Further updates to showcase a few places in Auckland. Here we see Britomart. Now Britomart is the centre of the transport network - it is a hub for all four urban rail lines and also a major bus interchange in the downtown area of Auckland. The station used to be filled with diesel smoke due to the DMUs and locomotive-hauled carriages and that was my last memory of the station. NOW it is clean and quiet, and is a pleasure to be in. Here is a showcase of the station.






Next is Panmure station. Panmure railway station is probably the biggest change I've seen on the Auckland transport network in recent times. When I first arrived in New Zealand back in 2005, Panmure station was located down the line in a semi-industrial area and was nothing more than an asphalt platform with a rickety wooden bridge leading off the station. It was poorly lit, and awful. Then the station was moved in 2007 to be closer to Panmure centre. This station was still basic, but it was better lit, and well-kept. Now, Panmure is a model for future stations in Auckland. It has a well-integrated bus station and an excellent station.





Now here is a more interesting one for some. Botany Town Centre bus terminal. This is not often featured at all, but it has a number of different buses call here. Botany Town Centre is a large indoor/outdoor mall in Eastern Auckland and has improving transport links in what is one of the most car-centric areas of Auckland. There is now a direct bus to the airport from here as well!





Now we have two journeys, one by bus and one by rail. The first is a rail journey from Panmure all the way to Britomart in both directions and with both views (both left and right from the train). This rail line goes across the water and gets beautiful views of the harbour and waterways of Auckland. It's probably my favourite rail line in Auckland.





Finally, a short bus journey in Eastern Auckland. This is a journey on a Howick & Eastern bus (500) towards the city leaving from Pakuranga Plaza to Panmure Station.

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