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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:26 PM   #741
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Svartmetall, you may be right about the dissadvantages. However, the good thing is that these (BRT) buses were promoted/premiered by Scania in their home market and (as far as I know) weren't ordered or purachsed nor by Keolis, neither by SL. Even if the order will be made, these buses may be adjusted to the need and regulations existing in our market. At the moment we can enjoy seeing/testing the buses as they are.
By the way, Scania VanHool Exqui.City are already tested/operated in some cities in Belgium, Italy and Switzerland.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:32 PM   #742
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By the way, Keolis did purchase 170 new environmentaly-friendly buses 52 of which are MAN Lion's City Hybrid:


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Starting from december this year a few types of electric buses will be tested in Stockholm. Volvo is one of the manufacturers interested in the market of the capital city, too.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:33 PM   #743
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I didn't say they were ordered or purchased. I just don't want them to even have a chance at being purchased. Also, I know full well what buses were purchased by Keolis, I take them every day and even posted a picture of one of them over the page complimenting the buses on how good they are (remember this post).

I don't care if they're used elsewhere (though Belgium does not surprise me given Van Hool is Belgian), they appear to be completely impractical. I also don't support a manufacturer just because they're based in our country. Scania make very good buses, and the buses you posted earlier in the thread are an excellent example of that. Hybrid buses with Euro 6 emissions that are functional and do exactly what is required of our buses are the way forward, not these buses pretending to be trams. The sooner they are off the streets of Stockholm the better.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 01:18 AM   #744
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The design of new tunnelbana rolling stock (C30) revealed?


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Old November 3rd, 2014, 01:39 AM   #745
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No complaints from me. Are they making them 4 carriages long then rather than the current 3? That'll be a problem for when they're running short trains as 4 carriages will be too few to cope with what 6 manage currently.

Will be great if they run full length trains all the time!
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 01:47 AM   #746
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Well, this is just a visualisation of a design concept. Also, the red line will upgraded (for automated rolling stock) and the new vagons will be operated in that line starting from 2016/17.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 04:17 AM   #747
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My reason for calling those equi.city busses flawed is because of design choices made.
They made the bus esthetically nice and forgot what is really important.
- low weight
- capacity
- type of fuel and way of carrying the fuel.

Anyone can make a futuristic-styled vehicle and call it "energy efficient", actually making a vehicle thats fuel effective is A completely different matter.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 10:58 AM   #748
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By the way, Keolis did purchase 170 new environmentaly-friendly buses 52 of which are MAN Lion's City Hybrid:


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Starting from december this year a few types of electric buses will be tested in Stockholm. Volvo is one of the manufacturers interested in the market of the capital city, too.
How come MAN are still getting contracts despite the massive corruption they were involved in for much of the 2000's?
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 05:44 PM   #749
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it reminds me the LRT vehicles of the German stadtbahn systems of Hanover and Stuttgart with the narrow underbody/carriage and the step like thingys under the doors...

Hanover LRV:
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Maadeuurija, that picture resambles a concept of the possible design of tunnelbana. The actual design should be revealed next year.
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One more picture of Scania Citywide LE Hybrid which was premiered during Persontrafikmässan 2014 which took place in Stockholm.


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Old November 3rd, 2014, 06:27 PM   #752
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Maadeuurija, that picture resambles a concept of the possible design of tunnelbana. The actual design should be revealed next year.
I see.. but the resemblance is there Can't wait for the actual design as I i'm quite fond of the C20
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I see.. but the resemblance is there Can't wait for the actual design as I i'm quite fond of the C20
I like the design of C20 very much, too. Hopefully, the new design will be great as well.
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No complaints from me. Are they making them 4 carriages long then rather than the current 3? That'll be a problem for when they're running short trains as 4 carriages will be too few to cope with what 6 manage currently.
The cars look longer and less space is taken by driver cabs, the capacity difference might not be all that much.
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Old November 4th, 2014, 04:43 AM   #755
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A little bit of everything:

Spårvagn (city trams) - a city tram system (Spårvagn City) which will be expanded

Stockholm, Sweden by AJo58Photo, on Flickr

Touristic (old-school) trams

Old-school trolley by Ricky Leong, on Flickr

Inner city buses (long)

My Sweden. Stockholm. Slussen by Juan C. García Lorenzo, on Flickr

Regular buses (long and short)

Estocolmo - Nybroplan by Sonia Borodino, on Flickr

Buses by Mattias Millbro, on Flickr

Regional buses to Norrtälje

Along For the Ride by http://www.henriksundholm.com/, on Flickr

Touristic buses (blue, red, green, yelow)

Stureplan, Östermalm, Stockholm, Sweden. 2011 by hanna_astephan, on Flickr

Taxi (cars, boats; various options)

follow that cab by Jibbo, on Flickr

City ferry (several types)

Hammarby sjöstad by Arild Vågen, on Flickr

MSSjövägen20140927003 by Franz Airiman, on Flickr

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Stoccolma - Stadshuset by *maya*, on Flickr

Touristic boats

BD3421 Waterfront @ Stockholm, Sweden 10.9.14 by davidncooke_686, on Flickr

Boats to the islands

BD3423 Waterfront @ Stockholm, Sweden 10.9.14 by davidncooke_686, on Flickr

Bergbana - funicular

Skansens bjergbane - Funicular of Skansen by Troels Roland, on Flickr

Tvärbanan/Nockebybanan - a light-rail system (under expansion)

L22 Tvärbanan tram at Luma stop by transitpeople, on Flickr

Tvärbanan till Solna station by soldyrkaren, on Flickr

Flygbussarna - airport (Arlanda, Skavsta, Bromma) buses (long and short)

Airport bus Arlanda Stockholm by Negev 114, on Flickr

Flygbussarna Airport Coaches #909, Cityterminalen Stockholm by Jens Erik Widén, on Flickr

Arlanda Express - Arlanda airport express trains

機場快捷 Arlanda Express by hellorice, on Flickr

Roslagsbanan - a narrow gauge urban railway system (modernised)

Stockholm - Roslagsbanan - Rolling stock details by IngolfBLN, on Flickr

Stockholm - Roslagsbanan - Stockholms östra station by IngolfBLN, on Flickr

Saltsjöbanan - an suburban railway system of another type (will be upgraded)

Vorortzug der Saltsjöbanan by kaffeeeinstein, on Flickr

Pendeltåg - a commuter train (left) and tunnelbana (subway, right)

Utsikt fra hotellet by evbjone, on Flickr

Regional trains (various options)

SJ X40 @ Stockholm by Steven De Haeck, on Flickr
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The cars look longer and less space is taken by driver cabs, the capacity difference might not be all that much.
No, they've been very clear about that point previously.
A C20 train of 3 C20s is marginally longer than a 8 car Cx (i.e. old) train.
A C30 train of 2 C30s will be about that long.

However, while a 3*C20 means 9 segments a 2*C30 will be 8 segments. So the segments themselves will be longer. I'm not sure what this means for squeaky cornering and gaps between platform and train at stations in curves.
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Nice, collection of public transportation in the Stockholm region.
Thanks for sharing.

I've got 2 questions,
Those Arlanda express trains look nice, what company built these trains?
How many languages are used on the 'hop on, hop off' busses?
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First one I can answer. They are designated the "X3".

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/X3_(tåg)

They are built by Alstom in Birmingham in the UK.
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It reminds me a lot Siemens Inspiro for Warsaw:
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Modern subway cars tend to resemble eachother, I guess.
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