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Old July 15th, 2016, 03:08 PM   #1061
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it's really all about how the tracks go. Märsta is on the old mainline (from the 1800s) going north. Arlanda isn't, it is so much further east that when the new tracks & tunnels were built in the 1990s the branching had to be pretty far south of Märsta that even the next station is also not on the Arlanda line.

You can see the rail lines on this map of the area.
https://www.google.se/maps/@59.6230773,17.8942374,12z
As you can see it should be possible to turn the northern connection to the mainline into a full 3-way triangle and thus make loop lines possible. But there's no good set-up for services using that.

The lesson is to put your big aiports right on/by the mainline. Or the other way 'round: put the mainline right under/near the aiport. Like how the rail line from Copenhagen to the Bridge goes right by Kastrup, that's how it should be. Imagine if instead of Heathrow, London/England had gone with an aiport located outside Watford so ALL the trains going to/from Euston from/to Brimingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow... had made a stop there. That would have been awesome.
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Heathrow is incredibly well-connected though. It is also going to be part of Crossrail (currently Heathrow connect). There is no "gate charge" at Heathrow either, unlike at Arlanda. They really should buy the station off the Airport in my opinion as extra charges at airport stations are, frankly, highly irritating. Sydney and Brisbane pull the same trick on their rail lines too with station access fees making the train less attractive options. It's why I always go to Märsta and then take the bus rather than take the Pendeltåg to Arlanda. I refuse to pay the gate fee.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 08:18 PM   #1063
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Heathrow has way better connections than Arlanda, yes since there no gate-fare and there's the Picadilly line and Crossrail on its way. But it could have been even better

Sadly, the then government didn't use the timed option to buy out the owners some years ago now. So we have to wait over a decade more :/
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Old July 16th, 2016, 09:52 PM   #1064
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The new and revised map showing the future tube network.
Note: The authorities have decided, after great length, to build the yellow line as a branch of the green line rather than as a proper line on its own.

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Den nya och än en gång reviderade kartan över det framtida tunnelbanenätet.



Källa: Nya tunnelbanan
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Old July 16th, 2016, 09:56 PM   #1065
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Then why have it as a yellow line at all? Seems highly disingenuous given how all other lines branch. They'll also, surely, not be able to run the same three-line bundle along the current green line either as that would feed too many trains through the central section during peak wouldn't it?

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That's a shame... I have no problem with premium services to an airport as long as there are regular services to complement them, but the Märsta train - bus service is not an equal service to that of a direct train. It should be "direct slow commuter train" alongside the Arlanda Express - which in fact is now what we have thanks to the Uppsala Pendeltåg (which is a fantastic improvement really).
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Old July 16th, 2016, 10:34 PM   #1066
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It is disingenuous.

The best solution is the one many have proposed, running west of the central section unburdening it.

E.g, The Greens proposed something they chose to denominate the 'Orange Line':


Source: https://www.mp.se/stockholm/orange-linje

On the other hand, the Social Democrats instead came up with this one (The Purple Line):

Source: http://www.socialdemokraterna.se/Web...lbanesatsning/

The central section has been heavily congested for years and everybody (well, apparently almost everybody, for I saw the proposal for the so called 'Yellow Line') has agreed it needs relief and preferably to the west as it's there where you find the biggest demographic concentration.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 10:51 PM   #1067
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Heathrow is incredibly well-connected though. It is also going to be part of Crossrail (currently Heathrow connect). There is no "gate charge" at Heathrow either, unlike at Arlanda. They really should buy the station off the Airport in my opinion as extra charges at airport stations are, frankly, highly irritating. Sydney and Brisbane pull the same trick on their rail lines too with station access fees making the train less attractive options. It's why I always go to Märsta and then take the bus rather than take the Pendeltåg to Arlanda. I refuse to pay the gate fee.
Indeed. It is even more irritating when the one works at the airprot and has to travel longer hours just to avoid the extra fees.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:12 PM   #1068
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A newer picture of Odenplan station (project Citybanan) with an invitation has been posted in the official Facebook page:


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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:37 PM   #1069
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Will stick it in my calendar now! I want to go see it!
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:38 PM   #1070
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The Tvärbana will reach The Saltsjöbana (Sickla station) during the autumn of 2017.
And sometime around 2025-2027, a new tube station will be inaugurated at Sickla meaning that you'll be able to interchange between three different modes of rapid transit, Tvärbana, Saltsjöbana and the Underground.


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Tvärbanan når Saltsjöbanan 2017

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Nu är det cirka ett år sedan det första spadtaget togs i projektet att förlänga Tvärbanan från Sickla udde i Hammarby Sjöstad till Sickla i Nacka kommun. I samband med att den nya sträckan öppnas hösten 2017 kommer hela Tvärbanan att ha ett gemensamt signalsystem, vilket gör att det då går att åka hela spårvägssträckan mellan Solna och Sickla utan byten[...]
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:42 PM   #1071
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It's like the Sundbyberg of the south. Good to have more "suburban" nodes for interchanges as you said above - need to break the centralisation.
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'Söder om Söders Sumpan', heh, something like that I presume.
Precisely, breaking centralisation is the Alpha and Omega.
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Feeling ashamed. I live very close to the construction site of the tvärbanan-saltsjöbanan connection, yet haven't taken a single picture. Everytime there's some excuse. However, the site looks quite exciting nowadays.
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Source: http://moderaterna.net/wp-content/up...-utbyggnad.jpg

Line coloured in blue: The Saltsjöbana.
Line coloured in green: The Tvärbana.
Stretch coloured in orange: Extension of the Tvärbana to be opened in 2017.


Future extension of the Blue Line to Nacka Centrum from Kungsträdgården, running South-East-Northeast.


Source: http://www.sll.se/Global/Verksamhet/...ripande-03.jpg

NOTE: The Hagsätra branch of the Green Line will be overtaken by the Blue Line.
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For Nacka to reach Sumpan's level as a node it needs transit going north outside the inner city. I.e. Tvärbanan on Österbron

Älvsjö will reach be the real central node for Söderort unless they mess up the planning IMO.
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For Nacka to reach Sumpan's level as a node it needs transit going north outside the inner city. I.e. Tvärbanan on Österbron

Älvsjö will reach be the real central node for Söderort unless they mess up the planning IMO.
Let's hope to the The National Negotiation on Housing and Infrastructure and see if they and the municipality of Nacka make the Eastern Connection (Östlig Förbindelse) a reality.
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"Östlig Förbindelse" has ONLY been planned/investigated/analysed as a motorway tunnel. Even including a Tvärbana tube next to it was only given a tiny inital overview.

The planning from that negotioation isn't good for Stockholm at all.
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You're right.
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Official video clips on the new extensions. The extensions' project is called 'Nya Tunnelbanan' (The New Underground).




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The latest official status report video clip on the construction of the City Line (Commuter Train Project).

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