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Old November 11th, 2016, 10:28 PM   #1121
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There are no capacity issues what so ever, even if a full train would disembark you would not have to wait very long for a lift.

The travel time for a lift that is 100 meters long is 25-30 seconds. The travel time for riding the escalators down to a station 100 meters deep is 4 minutes as in the case of Arsenalna in Kiev.

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But passanger flow just don't work very well with lifts. In London they have quite a few lift only stations, and they are all a mess. Escalators is just better for handling a large flow of people.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 01:02 AM   #1122
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But passanger flow just don't work very well with lifts. In London they have quite a few lift only stations, and they are all a mess. Escalators is just better for handling a large flow of people.
I don't agree, the only station in London that is a mess is Covent Garden and that is because it was not built in the first place with expansion of the lift capacity in mind once passenger volumes rose. It is also not built with dual entry and exit doors like on modern high capacity lift systems.

In a modern station you would find 8 to 10 lifts that can carry 40 people each, one return trip including loading and unloading is less than 2 minutes so 80 people per lift every 2 minutes, if you have 10 lifts then you can transport 800x30=over 20000 people every hour. There are practically no stations in Stockholm outside of maybe T-Centralen and Slussen that handle 20000 people an hour, even during rush hour.

In fact for a station like Sofia it is more than likely enough with 4 or 5 lifts as it mainly serve a neighborhood with very few office buildings and only a few thousand people living in the vicinity. I doubt it would see even 2-3000 people during rush hour, and probably in the low hundreds any other time of day.

The idea that escalators are good to handle large flows of people is also not correct, you typically have 2 and maybe 3 escalators to handle all the passengers in any given direction. 4-500 people disembarking a train will build up a large group of people trying to get on the escalators, even at max capacity of loading (no idiots trying to jump the line bottlenecking the loading even more), 2 escalators need 2,5-3 minutes to load 4-500 people. I know this personally because I have been on the wrong end of those 4-500 people on many occasions.

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Old November 12th, 2016, 11:47 AM   #1123
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The problem with lifts, is that you need a second system for security reasons. You may not use it when there is a fire. At least staircases, but when you can use them all the time, a lot of people will automatic use this. People don ´t like to wait for a lift and they prefer to walk.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 01:23 PM   #1124
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First of all, emergency staircases aren't open all the time. Secondly, only crazy people would use the stairs to go up 100 m. People are happy to wait for a lift to go up 4 floors not to mention 100 m.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 08:05 PM   #1125
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Which is why the emergency exits won't be 100 m tall stairs, they'll be (long) tunnels.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 08:50 PM   #1126
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Old November 18th, 2016, 03:23 PM   #1127
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Old November 26th, 2016, 03:06 PM   #1129
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I've been watching this awesome video on Stockholmskällan about the building of the northern part of the Green Line T-Bana:

http://stockholmskallan.stockholm.se/post/19601

And it raised a couple of questions inside my head regarding Odenplan. With regards to the expansion of the station to accommodate the Citybanan platforms, did they effectively demolish the whole station and rebuild it from scratch? I'm just trying to picture it properly.

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Old November 26th, 2016, 03:28 PM   #1130
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I've been watching this awesome video on Stockholmskällan about the building of the northern part of the Green Line T-Bana:

http://stockholmskallan.stockholm.se/post/19601

And it raised a couple of questions inside my head regarding Odenplan. With regards to the expansion of the station to accommodate the Citybanan platforms, did they effectively demolish the whole station and rebuild it from scratch? I'm just trying to picture it properly.

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They just copied solution from Fridhemsplan. They built a tunnel under the station and connected it with the platform by stairs, elevators and escalators.
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The commuter train station underneath the subway station is completely cut out of the bedrock, so they didn't have to rebuild the subway station. There's a new entrance building on street level for both the subway and commuter train, and there's new escalators leading from the subway platform level to the commuter train station.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 06:42 PM   #1132
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MTR takes over Stockholm Pendeltåg operations
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MTR Corporation took over the operations and maintenance for the Stockholm Pendeltåg commuter rail service on December 11 through its subsidiary MTR Pendeltågen

The 241km 53-stadtion network currently carries around 87 million passengers per year

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Old December 13th, 2016, 07:59 PM   #1133
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Stockholm County Council approved the planned expansion of the light rail line from Ulvsunda to Helenelund today. The project is estimated to cost approx SEK 5 billion, with construction starting as early as next year, and traffic starting no earlier than 2021. The project consists of eight km double track, 10 new stops, 20 additional trams and a new depot.

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Forgive my curiosity but is this circular parking garage new? Does it belong to Karolinska Institutet?

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Yes, the parking garage is new and it belongs to Karolinska Institutet.
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