Austria-Slovenia

[Ronald34]

Yes its all true what you are writing. Well in my opinion its not important, where we come from and what our genetic roots are. My family roots for example are from Swiss Romandie (19 century).

The most important thing is, that all countries should work together for peace and harmony, but at the moment i do not believe that the EU is the right instiution for this.

I think Charles de Gaulle was right when he was talking about:

An Europe of Fatherlands ( economic cooperation between all countries, but not a centralistic system like the EU is now).

[KingNick]

Well, to make it back on topic: I think this would definitely be a great idea. Austria's neutrality is basically a joke anyway. Especially since the treaty of Lisbon (collective defense article) and Europe needs to boost it's military integration. They got way too many tanks, too many different air combat systems, too much personnel (over 2 mio., reservists not taken into account), too little capacities to operate worldwide aso...

I'd welcome a flight monitoring cooperation between Austria and Slovenia.

[KingNick]

Originally Posted by Ronald34

Yes its all true what you are writing. Well in my opinion its not important, where we come from and what our genetic roots are. My family roots for example are from Swiss Romandie (19 century).

The most important thing is, that all countries should work together for peace and harmony, but at the moment i do not believe that the EU is the right instiution for this.

I think Charles de Gaulle was right when he was talking about:

An Europe of Fatherlands ( economic cooperation between all countries, but not a centralistic system like the EU is now).

The EU is just the right institution to sustain peace within Europe. It's the catalyzer for economical interdependency and integration between the member states and nothing guarantees peace more effective than those things.

[BeliF]

And dont forget, this is probably the first time in the history of Europe that we joined together in peace, not by war.

[Struckar]

And don't forget, that EU is around for 50 years if we're very generous, and that this is just a brief moment in European history. As things are progressing, I don't think that EU in it's current form is able to survive much longer.

[kreden]

Originally Posted by Struckar

And don't forget, that EU is around for 50 years if we're very generous, and that this is just a brief moment in European history. As things are progressing, I don't think that EU in it's current form is able to survive much longer.

Why not? Any arguments? Or are you saying that just because it's fashionable?

[BeliF]

I mean, get real You do know that USA were not build in a day, do you Struckar? It lasted from 1787 till 1959

[Ronald34]

Well, i'm sceptic about the EU... but lets see..

Regards

[Struckar]

Yeah USA. That's a country to which immigrants came in search for a better life. a civilization made from scratch. Anyone, not complying with the rules there, was encouraged to leave, as he came. Nationalism allowed only to ''Americans'' whoever that might be. Europe is exactly opposite from that. It has nations. Real nations, not immigrants forming community's. Now this soundsgood for Europe and bad for USA, but it's not, it's the opposite. Try remembering when was the last time that Europe, or at least all the European countries said and did the same thing in an incident or on some international question? Never. We are talking about 27 independent countries that have joined in a union modeled on the USA, which is essentialy a country split into 52 regions, with mainly the same ethnic structure everywhere. This is a lot different than EU which has different ethnic structure in every county. That is why, it's really just a matter of time when this won't work anymore. There are tensions between countries. These countries all have military force (excluding some minis) and can and will go to war if necesery. This is Europe, we might think we're sophisticated, but think about it. Not a lot of time, has passed since the last war (Kosovo-Serbia area). And remembering the past a bit more again, neither in Kosovo, Georgia or Libya, have countries of EU been united in saying what we stand for. Some countries said Serbia is right to claim it's territory (untouchable territory of a country), other said, every nation has a right to it's own country.

[Verso]

Do you think all Americans have the same opinion about everything? That would be terribly boring.

[Struckar]

No, but essentialy, they are one ''nation'' and do realize now, I should have pointed out, that nations and issues between them, means politicians and their boring life, that they make more fun, by making internatioal incidents.

[BeliF]

Austrian president will come to Slovenija next week

[Ronald34]

oh... its because of the bilingual zone in Koroska, and the problems with the village shields.

Hope everything will become good for the slovenian minority in Austria.

Regards
Ronald

[BeliF]

I dont think so. Problems with village shields probably wont be fixed by then. There are economic interests Also, slovenian premier Pahor has met with Sarkosy, Putin and Cameron in the past month, and has also planed your president and German Angela Merkel for next month..

[KingNick]

Originally Posted by Struckar

No, but essentialy, they are one ''nation'' and do realize now, I should have pointed out, that nations and issues between them, means politicians and their boring life, that they make more fun, by making internatioal incidents.

That "nation" is deeply divided on every important political aspect.

[Struckar]

I think every nation is divided on political aspects, but Europe is also divided, by the interests of individual countries, while USA, doesn't have that in such a way, that states couldn't be told how to do something, by the government. That is one country with 52 states/regions, Europe is 27 countries making one Union, which is mainly just a way, to get a couple of 1000's of buerocrats an employment.

[Ronald34]

Hi guys,

I just want to tell you, that i'm in Portoroz from 21-24. April.

So if someone has time, we can meet for a drink..

Regards

Ronald

[Verso]

Portorož is mainly a tourist town, not many people live there.

[Brumtonian]

Originally Posted by Struckar

Yeah USA. That's a country to which immigrants came in search for a better life. a civilization made from scratch. Anyone, not complying with the rules there, was encouraged to leave, as he came. Nationalism allowed only to ''Americans'' whoever that might be. Europe is exactly opposite from that. It has nations. Real nations, not immigrants forming community's. Now this soundsgood for Europe and bad for USA, but it's not, it's the opposite. Try remembering when was the last time that Europe, or at least all the European countries said and did the same thing in an incident or on some international question? Never. We are talking about 27 independent countries that have joined in a union modeled on the USA, which is essentialy a country split into 52 regions, with mainly the same ethnic structure everywhere. This is a lot different than EU which has different ethnic structure in every county. That is why, it's really just a matter of time when this won't work anymore. There are tensions between countries. These countries all have military force (excluding some minis) and can and will go to war if necesery. This is Europe, we might think we're sophisticated, but think about it. Not a lot of time, has passed since the last war (Kosovo-Serbia area). And remembering the past a bit more again, neither in Kosovo, Georgia or Libya, have countries of EU been united in saying what we stand for. Some countries said Serbia is right to claim it's territory (untouchable territory of a country), other said, every nation has a right to it's own country.

Completely agree with all that, the EU is a ridiculous organisation. It really is trying to carve out a United States of Europe, you can drive from Portugal to Romania as if it's one country without crossing a checkpoint. Thats not right in my opinion we are all seperate nations based on distinct ethnic groups like the Irish, Italians, Romanians, English etc. It is because of this that we could never agree on important things and we can never be a nation. Also why does the EU have an anthem? It is not a country

[hofburg]

This is the Austro-Slovenian relations thread, not an EU discussion. if you want to make a contribution to a more united Europe like your signature says, suggest to your governement to get euro and join schengen.

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