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Old April 18th, 2011, 08:50 PM   #21
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Ah, accidentally, Madrid RIO project is officially finished today.

A 2x 4 lanes highway replaced by a park, done by West 8

[edit]: ah, again, a tunneling, not a removal!









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Old April 19th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #22
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Just love it. Really the most advanced stage of urban planing.
Thanks! The project have been met with huge opposition from the citys Nimbys though. Our Directorate for Cultural Heritage even went out and protected the newly built opera to stop any new highrise/skyscraper developments there in the future.
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Old April 19th, 2011, 07:09 AM   #23
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In Amsterdam various multi-level innecity semi-highway sollutions have been reverted (or are about to be reverted) to a 'flat' sollution where all traffic mixes again. The underground underpass on the Meester Visser plein for example is redeveloped to a childrens playground.
which is one of the reasons the nervous center of Amsterdam of business (not of tourism) is moving fast to other cities like Amstelveen or the Zuidas area, rendeering Amsterdam one of the poorest gemeente (municipality) of Netherlands on a per capita basis.

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Various studies indicate that - in contrast with intuition - in many occasions innercity freeways can be closed without significant increase of traffic in other streets or significant increase of travel time. This is related - among other things - to the self-congestive effect of traffic space. However, these mechanisms should be put to use with care and appropriateness. It's not some magic trick. Its circumstancial.
All of this bases on a single premise: that trips itself keep being made. They don't: in many cases, stupid traffic calming measures bring a change on patterns of who goes to a given area. As it is always the case, that means keeping upper class people out and attracting lower income folks who will degrade the tax base etc. Or tourism, but not every place is a touristic destination.
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Old April 19th, 2011, 11:05 AM   #24
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@Suburbanist
The centre of business is moved out indeed. 19th century it was in the 17th century district - where canal houses were converted and later demolished for office buildings, primarely around the radials. In the 20th century it moved to the breaktrough areas (Weesperstraat/Wibautstraat and others), later to the Omval, later to the Zuid-as. This is not for reasons of traffic calming though, none of the 20th century locations are now any worse connected than before.
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Old April 20th, 2011, 05:41 AM   #25
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In this thread, freeway tunnels can now count.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 08:01 AM   #26
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looks amazing!!!
agree - very smart urban planning!!!
bravo
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Old April 30th, 2011, 02:25 AM   #27
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Don't think there is any freeyway (urban motorway?) removals in Germany.
The incomplete parts of the A102/A100 in Berlin (crossing of the Teltow canal) are currently being removed. Iirc there are also some parties calling for removing parts of the A111 close to Tegel?
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Old April 30th, 2011, 12:12 PM   #28
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Not removed, but replaced by tunnels.
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 03:43 PM   #29
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There is a proposal to demolish the Claiborne Expressway and replace it with an at-grade boulevard. This means that the freeway is eliminated altogether. Instead of eliminating the Claiborne Expressway altogether, why don't we just replace the expressway with a cut-and-cover tunnel? You know, so the freeway can be buried underground?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #30
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Who needs to remove any of Montreal's expressways when they're simply falling down as it is, right.
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I can think of nothing more tragic than the removal of a freeway.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 10:27 AM   #32
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Not any different from imploding obsolete hotels in Vegas. Selective removal of irrelevant freeways - I am for it.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 03:39 PM   #33
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Wow, that Madrid Rio project is so cool.
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I can think of nothing more tragic than the removal of a freeway.
Highway fetish?
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 09:32 PM   #35
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If freeway tunnels now count I guess I can include this.

I-93 thru Boston (known as the Central Artery):

This:




Replaced this:


Also in Dallas they are now currently building an urban park on top of the Woodall Rodgers Freeway.


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Old June 4th, 2011, 12:59 AM   #36
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I am a bit shocked at how big the roads at the surface still are, even though they are now in addition to a big tunneled highway.
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Highway fetish?
Freeways are gifts to the people - simply put it is a FREE WAY. The whole anti-car hippie movement is old and tiring now i think people are starting to get sick of it. Its too late we live in a car dependent world well in the west we do anyway
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Freeways are gifts to the people - simply put it is a FREE WAY. The whole anti-car hippie movement is old and tiring now i think people are starting to get sick of it. Its too late we live in a car dependent world well in the west we do anyway
You don't have to be a hippie to be against the car taking over the entire urban environment.
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I prefer to follow a 'Do it RIGHT!' attitude, as 'Don't do it at all! often only makes the problems worse and worse. For example, note the lack of a north-south freeway/tollway corridor in western San Francisco and the choking levels of car traffic using 19th Ave/Park Presidio Boulevard to get between the Golden Gate Bridge and I-280 south of town as a result. Build a freeway/tollway tunnel in that corridor and that surface street will be returned to the neighbors.

A lot of the projects being discussed in this thread are of the 'Do it RIGHT' type.

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Old June 5th, 2011, 06:52 AM   #40
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Freeways are gifts to the people - simply put it is a FREE WAY. The whole anti-car hippie movement is old and tiring now i think people are starting to get sick of it. Its too late we live in a car dependent world well in the west we do anyway
Yeah, we should all subsidize you kid. Good lord.
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