DGT | Dumaguete-Sibulan Airport

[romantic_guy08]

Originally Posted by Barongoy

Well, if madayon man gani ang pagbalhin sa Dumaguete Airport didtu sa Siaton, I feel sorry for travelers from the north. But if there are no other alternatives, then they will just have to suck it up.

I personally think Siaton is too far plus the insurgency problem in the area... if ever the airport will indeed be transferred, Zamboanguita's distance I guess is just about right and I saw several large areas of flat lands there...

[Garthin Dumaguete]

Originally Posted by romantic_guy08

International airport
proposed in Siaton
BY JUANCHO GALLARDE


“If we have the money, the present airport should be transferred to a wider and safer location, “ Rep. George Arnaiz (Neg. Or., 2nd District) said in response to suggestions that plans for the construction of an international airport in Bondo, Siaton, Negros Oriental, be revised.

Arnaiz said there should be a united decision of the entire officialdom in the province on the proposal, and added that only one proposal should be submitted to the president, for possible endorsement.

He also said plans to construct the airport should be reconciled, adding that another plan was proposed when he was governor and, during the stint of former president Joseph Estrada, the construction of an airport in Bais City, as well as a seaport.

Arnaiz said “Definitely, we cannot have two airports at the same time and if “we have the money, the present airport in Sibulan should be transferred elsewhere.”

Barangay Bondo in Siaton would also be a good site, Arnaiz said.*JG

The airport can be expanded in Sibulan, but would cost a lot since it is prime real estate due to its close location to the city. Plus they would have to create a tunnel to go under the extended runway (my home city Manchester UK has a four lane highway go under both its 2 runways and their taxiways - check it on google maps).

Sitio Bondo in Barangay Napacao would be a good choice cost wise, as it's mostly barren land, cheap, and is quite hard. But the distance is quite far from the City of Dumaguete. It would be safer for the flying schools though, as there would be no more practice flying over the city.

[Garthin Dumaguete]

The runway is short here. Once we took a flight from Manila, and we had to divert to Cebu, as the reverse thrusters on the plane were malfunctioning. We nearly landed, but suddenly sped up and ascended. If the pilot hadn't noticed and we tried landing, we would've ended up in the sea. We spent one hour in Cebu staying in the plane while they fixed the problem (igang kaayo, kay wala gi-ondar ang aircon). 1km longer would be perfect, as bigger planes would be able to land too... ...as long as the concrete is thicker.

[Alinghi]

the runway's length is really short.. plane should touch the ground within the 1st couple hundred meters at either end to have some comfortable leeway on the opposite end.

i frequently land on DGT via Google Earth's flight simulator, and i can say that landing and calculating the real estate is really tricky.. what more with the real thing

[Barongoy]

Originally Posted by Garthin Dumaguete

The airport can be expanded in Sibulan, but would cost a lot since it is prime real estate due to its close location to the city. Plus they would have to create a tunnel to go under the extended runway (my home city Manchester UK has a four lane highway go under both its 2 runways and their taxiways - check it on google maps).

Sitio Bondo in Barangay Napacao would be a good choice cost wise, as it's mostly barren land, cheap, and is quite hard. But the distance is quite far from the City of Dumaguete. It would be safer for the flying schools though, as there would be no more practice flying over the city.

Parts of the LAX runway (Sepulveda Blvd, a 4 lane road) is like that, too. So I hope they would also take it into consideration. We know all these will cost a lot of money but it is a good investment for Dumaguete City and the province of Negros Oriental. It may even cost more to build a new airport somewhere else.

[romantic_guy08]

Originally Posted by Barongoy

Parts of the LAX runway (Sepulveda Blvd, a 4 lane road) is like that, too. So I hope they would also take it into consideration. We know all these will cost a lot of money but it is a good investment for Dumaguete City and the province of Negros Oriental. It may even cost more to build a new airport somewhere else.

I think the problem with current set-up is that, the residents of the village on the other side of the highway dont want to relocate and that it would cost more for the government to pay-up these owners. The only possible to extend the present runway is towards the sea. I wonder if its possible to use stilts instead of pouring rocks and rubble to extend the runway.

[Barongoy]

Originally Posted by Garthin Dumaguete

The runway is short here. Once we took a flight from Manila, and we had to divert to Cebu, as the reverse thrusters on the plane were malfunctioning. We nearly landed, but suddenly sped up and ascended. If the pilot hadn't noticed and we tried landing, we would've ended up in the sea. We spent one hour in Cebu staying in the plane while they fixed the problem (igang kaayo, kay wala gi-ondar ang aircon). 1km longer would be perfect, as bigger planes would be able to land too... ...as long as the concrete is thicker.

Was it PAL, Bai? Kahibaw sila nga wala ga.andar ang engines so walai A/C inside sa plane unya wala nila pakana.uga ang mga pasahero...for an hour...lawgawa gud. What an inconvenience to the passangers that would be. Paeta...I can only imagine the discomfort, bai. Unsa man ila g.ingon sa mga pasahero? That it will only take 15 minutes to fix the problem.

Anyway, if the Government is serious with extending the runway across the highway then they have to really persuade hard, for those residents to relocate or move. After all, this will also be for their safety. Personally, this is the only feasible alternative. Building a new airport somewhere else will probably cost a whole lot more.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by romantic_guy08

I think the problem with current set-up is that, the residents of the village on the other side of the highway dont want to relocate and that it would cost more for the government to pay-up these owners. The only possible to extend the present runway is towards the sea. I wonder if its possible to use stilts instead of pouring rocks and rubble to extend the runway.

It won't be cost effective to extend the runway further out to the sea because you are dealing with the sea bed that slopes further down as it goes deeper. Not only that, you have to widen the sides as well to contain the runway side clearances for allowance if in case the aircraft veers off the side. Madeira is the only international airport whose runway is on piers because it doesn't have much choice of flat land. The only advantage is it runs parallel on the shoreline and anchors on another piece of projecting land. They have to provide a rescue boat below just in case. Now for Dumaguete, you will be spending hundreds of millions of pesos to gain another 100m if you like. On the highway side, even if you build a tunnel below an extended runway, it will not be cost effective just the same because you are dealing with rising terrain beyond. Even if millions again will be spent; the touchdown zone will not change because the glideslope is constrained by the terrain itself. 5j pilots already mentioned they have to override the terrain warning because it sounds off when they approach from the mountains. So to make it short, money can be well spent on a new airport location that still has room to grow for another 50yrs. Just take the case of Tagbilaran for example which has more less the same runway length with Dumaguete.

[Barongoy]

I C. So if that is the case then it looks like Negros Oriental will have an airport somewhere else in the future.

[kingdiz_55]

Plus a new airport would open up the possiblity of new developments around it, better prepared to handle numerous people along with the establishments they bring.

[The Coffee]

You guys need to relax about extending the runway, it may look small when viewed from the highway but it's not that much shorter than other runways.

It's about the same length as the runways of airports in Cotabato, Roxas and Pagadian. And it's longer than the runways in Mindoro and Tagbilaran-- and Tabiliaran has a lot more passenger traffic than Dumaguete.

The runway at the new Bacolod airport is less than 7% longer.

[kingdiz_55]

You guys need to relax about extending the runway, it may look small when viewed from the highway but it's not that much shorter than other runways.

It's about the same length as the runways of airports in Cotabato, Roxas and Pagadian. And it's longer than the runways in Mindoro and Tagbilaran-- and Tabiliaran has a lot more passenger traffic than Dumaguete.

The runway at the new Bacolod airport is less than 7% longer.

Whilst it is enough for regular operations, you do have to understand that growth is impossible with that short of a runway. Even if air traffic grows exponentially, you'll still be stuck with a319s servicing the area.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by The Coffee

You guys need to relax about extending the runway, it may look small when viewed from the highway but it's not that much shorter than other runways.

It's about the same length as the runways of airports in Cotabato, Roxas and Pagadian. And it's longer than the runways in Mindoro and Tagbilaran-- and Tabiliaran has a lot more passenger traffic than Dumaguete.

The runway at the new Bacolod airport is less than 7% longer.

Pagadian has a 2012mx45m runway!

[kingdiz_55]

correction:

It's 1880m long.

[tim3122]

Do you now when will zest air start flying to Dumaguete? Maybe they will use their a319.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by kingdiz_55

correction:

It's 1880m long.

That was the length before the second component of the runway extension was completed. There were two contracts for the runway extension of Pagadian. The one seen in google earth is an old one.

[mwg12a]

Originally Posted by romantic_guy08

My shots of DGT...


image hosted on flickr

Originally Posted by romantic_guy08

Negros Oriental Coastline
image hosted on flickr


Arrival Area
image hosted on flickr


Pre-Departure
image hosted on flickr

Cute little airport. Looks clean and presentable.

[zidlakan]

the main growth driver of any airport is not the airport itself, but the city or
metropolis it serves. don't worry about runways or aerodromes or terminals
- concentrate on economic growth, measured in airport terms as, say, no. of
hotel and resort rooms available, especially if tourism is targeted, then see
if a new runway, extension, or transfer is indeed required. but focus all ener-
gy on economic development --> the airport will naturally follow. don't get
sidetracked with the thesis of "building it and they will come." doesn't work
that way.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by zidlakan

the main growth driver of any airport is not the airport itself, but the city or
metropolis it serves. don't worry about runways or aerodromes or terminals
- concentrate on economic growth, measured in airport terms as, say, no. of
hotel and resort rooms available, especially if tourism is targeted, then see
if a new runway, extension, or transfer is indeed required. but focus all ener-
gy on economic development --> the airport will naturally follow. don't get
sidetracked with the thesis of "building it and they will come." doesn't work
that way.

Yes, "Build it and they will come"...we are not as rich as Dubai building their mega airport to entice the international sector. Nevertheless, Dumaguete has a spanking clean terminal.

[romantic_guy08]

Sir Paul, isn't it also for safety reasons why there is a need to expand the runway in DGT? One end of the runway is the sea while the other end is a highway, and as previously mentioned the approach from runway 09 is mountainous.

If I'm not mistaken, the take-off run at MTOW of an A319 is 1,950m while DGT is only at 1,870m.