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Old April 21st, 2011, 07:00 AM   #61
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What does your area say about U turns? I don't even know what Virginia says about them, it seems like there is nothing consistent anywhere about their laws - some states allow a U-turn only in intersections, others ban them within intersections but allow them everywhere else, some allow them everywhere, some ban them everywhere... Virginia apparently allows them within intersections, as some intersections have a "no U-turn" sign, but most don't, and I've never been stopped by the police for doing it.
In Florida a U-turn is permitted where not prohibited by a sign as long as it's done without interfering with other traffic.
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 06:08 AM   #62
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Left turns on red in USA

Since Americans drive on the right, left turns on red (after stop) generally applies only from a one way street turning left onto another one way street.

So it was a surprise to me to see in my town someone turning left on red from a two-way street onto a one-way street. I was right behind them and thought "that can't be legal" But a search on wikipedia.org showed me I was wrong, -in about 6 USA states it is legal (Alaska, Idaho (where I live), Washington, several others. And, in Washington, it's even better - for purposes of this law a left turn on red (after stop) onto a freeway on-ramp is legal.
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 07:08 AM   #63
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Belgium's minister of transport is in favor of abolishing "priority to the right" (although he recognizes that it would have to happen at an international level and the writer of the article points out that people are used to it).

Article (in French): http://blog.lesoir.be/en-voiture-sim...-est-reouvert/

Oddly, the article starts talking about the origins of right-hand versus left-hand drive, which has nothing to do with it, that I can see....
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 10:51 AM   #64
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The idea of abolishing priority to the right is not that weird.

First of all, we drive at the right side of the road. Which means traffic from the left is generally better visible than traffic from the right.

For the same reason, priority to the right is excessively used (in the Netherlands) as a traffic calming measure. Even main roads are de-classified as priority roads and now you have to give way to the right, even to side roads which are not visible until you're at the intersection.

A common example in rural Netherlands; a very minor side road with no traffic 99% of the time. Yet you have to come almost to a dead stop on what looks like a main road with a 60 km/h (even 80 here) speed limit.
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 11:49 AM   #65
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In any other country the larger road would automatically have priority(in your picture).
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 11:55 AM   #66
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New Zealand does it slightly differently. The red truck has right of way in both pictures. In Australia (and I presume everywhere else), the blue car has right of way. (NZ and Australia both drive on the left)





In practice what seems to happen is both drivers stop and stare at each other until someone dares make a move. They're changing the rule to the international norm some time in 2012. http://www.3news.co.nz/An-easy-guide...5/Default.aspx

Or am I missing the point?

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Old April 22nd, 2011, 01:11 PM   #67
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In any other country the larger road would automatically have priority(in your picture).
Not true, in Switzerland its always "priority to the right" if nothing else is signed, the size of the road doesn't matter.
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 01:15 PM   #68
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New Zealand does it slightly differently. The red truck has right of way in both pictures. In Australia (and I presume everywhere else), the blue car has right of way. (NZ and Australia both drive on the left)
That is bizarre, especially the first pic. So if the blue car continues down the road, the truck has no priority, but if he makes a left turn, the truck suddenly has priority?
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The idea of abolishing priority to the right is not that weird.

First of all, we drive at the right side of the road. Which means traffic from the left is generally better visible than traffic from the right.

For the same reason, priority to the right is excessively used (in the Netherlands) as a traffic calming measure. Even main roads are de-classified as priority roads and now you have to give way to the right, even to side roads which are not visible until you're at the intersection.

A common example in rural Netherlands; a very minor side road with no traffic 99% of the time. Yet you have to come almost to a dead stop on what looks like a main road with a 60 km/h (even 80 here) speed limit.
Wow! This is very rare in either the UK or Portugal.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 12:24 AM   #70
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Wow! This is very rare in either the UK or Portugal.
...And entirely unheard-of in the United States. If a road is bigger or has a higher speed limit, it's got priority, and the intersecting road probably (around here, certainly) has a stop sign.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 01:46 AM   #71
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In Florida, priority to the right applies to two vehicles who arrive to an unsigned or 4-way-stop-signed intersection at the same time.

Priority to the right is an old maritime rule to determine right of way when the course of two vessels intersect at an angle.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 05:43 AM   #72
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I think in California there are uncontrolled intersections in some suburban areas. I assume priority from the right applies?
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 02:29 PM   #73
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I think in California there are uncontrolled intersections in some suburban areas. I assume priority from the right applies?
It would apply if suburban people new about it No, in California (in the USA in general), drivers yield to those whose road seems to have a priority (i.e., wider, busier, etc).
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 04:51 PM   #74
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The idea of abolishing priority to the right is not that weird.

First of all, we drive at the right side of the road. Which means traffic from the left is generally better visible than traffic from the right.

For the same reason, priority to the right is excessively used (in the Netherlands) as a traffic calming measure. Even main roads are de-classified as priority roads and now you have to give way to the right, even to side roads which are not visible until you're at the intersection.

A common example in rural Netherlands; a very minor side road with no traffic 99% of the time. Yet you have to come almost to a dead stop on what looks like a main road with a 60 km/h (even 80 here) speed limit.
Then I'd be screwed, as I would assume that I had priority on the road you show. I know that by law, I must give way to all cyclists and pedestrians. Having to give way to everyone approaching from the right... That's going a bit far. I guess that's why even the most minor of roads there have a traffic light.

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That is bizarre, especially the first pic. So if the blue car continues down the road, the truck has no priority, but if he makes a left turn, the truck suddenly has priority?
To my understanding, that was changed a few years ago, but they still enforce the "no crossing" of a double solid line, even if you are simply turning into your home. Now, the red truck in both pictures, must give way to the blue car. The reason for the change is twofold. Firstly: It brings NZ into line with other countries that drive on the left. Secondly: Reducing accidents because most people (Including New Zealanders) were not aware that they were supposed to give way (to the red truck in the example), under the old rules.

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I think in California there are uncontrolled intersections in some suburban areas. I assume priority from the right applies?
Uncontrolled intersections are generally regarded as a four way stop, even though stop signs aren't present. So one should give way to vehicles on the right. Having said that, whoever was at the intersection first, goes first.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 05:08 PM   #75
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As I said, the give way rules in New Zealand change in 2012.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 07:39 PM   #76
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Uncontrolled intersections are generally regarded as a four way stop, even though stop signs aren't present. So one should give way to vehicles on the right. Having said that, whoever was at the intersection first, goes first.
In the US it's hard to say if one intersection is uncontrolled because there is no sign that tells you you have right of way. If you don't have a stop sign, you have to look if there are stop signs everywhere at the intersection
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 07:44 PM   #77
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I think uncontrolled intersections are pretty rare here, for exactly that reason. (Because how could you tell, on a busy street, without slowing down at every side street? That's not really safe.) Frankly, if I don't see a stop or yield sign or traffic light, it never occurs to me that I might not have the right of way. And in 30 years of driving I've never had an accident at an intersection. But most if not all of my driving is in urban areas or on numbered highways - don't visualize me behaving this way at the intersection of two dirt roads in the middle of farmland in Nebraska.

Residential areas of Philadelphia are chock-full of all-way stops, though....
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In the heart of Krakow's downtown - The Old Town - an interesting development took place. Apparently, the standard street signs were too big and they were messing with the nice look'n'feel of old streets and buildings.

First, they decided to reduce their size - right now they're around 35% of standard width and height. Then, someone realized the best way to improve safety is to actually REMOVE all the give/have way signs. That means that all the intersections inside "the first orbital" operate purely on "priority to the right" principle.

This is quite an interesting place anyway. The whole area is:

a) pedestrian zone - which means vmax is 20 km/h and you can only park in designated spots (it's forbidden by default),
b) limited access zone - only permanent residents and maintenance are allowed,
c) priority to the right on all intersections - only signs in the zone are parking spots and one way / turn left-right signs.

According to my personal experience, the most dangerous drivers in The Old Town are... cyclers. Most of the time they assume that pedestrian zone makes them invulnerable and don't respect ANY traffic regulations.
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In the US it's hard to say if one intersection is uncontrolled because there is no sign that tells you you have right of way. If you don't have a stop sign, you have to look if there are stop signs everywhere at the intersection
It depends on the state's law and the type of traffic control. In Florida, for example, if the intersection is controlled by traffic lights and they are not working, then you have to treat it as if it had all-way stop signs. However, if there is no traffic control device whatsoever at the intersection, traffic has to yield the right of way to the vehicle that reaches the intersection first. In unconctrolled intersections where state roads and local roads meet, local road traffic yields to vehicles on the state road.
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In the US it's hard to say if one intersection is uncontrolled because there is no sign that tells you you have right of way. If you don't have a stop sign, you have to look if there are stop signs everywhere at the intersection
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It depends on the state's law and the type of traffic control. In Florida, for example, if the intersection is controlled by traffic lights and they are not working, then you have to treat it as if it had all-way stop signs. However, if there is no traffic control device whatsoever at the intersection, traffic has to yield the right of way to the vehicle that reaches the intersection first. In unconctrolled intersections where state roads and local roads meet, local road traffic yields to vehicles on the state road.
I've actually talked about this several times on this forum - i.e. about the fact that there are no signs here in North America indicating that one has the right of way.

As Penn's Woods said, in practice this does not pose a problem as uncontrolled intersections are rare (in fact, here in Ontario I've never seen one).

However, this IMO makes the priority-from-the-right rule unenforceable in North America, despite its existence. Checking the cross street for any control devices does not make any sense and cannot be safe in any circumstance. I should not have to look at any signs that are not facing me (because they are not supposed to apply to me).

EDIT: Just for reference, this is one of the posts I made earlier on this matter:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=76
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