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Old July 8th, 2011, 07:53 AM   #1041
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perhaps you have not been to HK. HK has 3000+ buildings with heights over 90 meters while NYC has less than 900. Please check link below.

And if you tabulate, total of buildings from 2nd to 5th still less than HK alone. NYC is far behind.
80% of the buildings in that category are 30 story commie blocks.

Are all of Hong Kong's skyscrapers crammed into two giant financial districts? The answer is no.

Midtown Manhattan is still the largest skyscraper cluster in the world.

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Old July 8th, 2011, 07:55 AM   #1042
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you aren't helping the matter....
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Old July 8th, 2011, 07:58 AM   #1043
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80% of the buildings in that category are 30 story commie blocks.

Are all of Hong Kong's skyscrapers crammed into two giant financial districts? The answer is no.

Midtown Manhattan is still the largest skyscraper cluster in the world.

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wow. that photo is amazing, and it shows only part of NY's massive collection of skyscrapers.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 08:26 AM   #1044
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i kinda prefer chicago over new yorks skyline
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Old July 8th, 2011, 08:47 AM   #1045
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80% of the buildings in that category are 30 story commie blocks.

Are all of Hong Kong's skyscrapers crammed into two giant financial districts? The answer is no.
Even though I am from Hong Kong, I am arguing based on the numbers.

According to this CTBUH article, Hong Kong has 2354 buildings above 100 meters while New York City has 725 buildings above 100 meters. And according to this CTBUH graph, Hong Kong has 277 buildings over 150 meters, most in the world.

Counting the "30-meter commie blocks," there are a total of 7687 buildings in Hong Kong (including those 2354) according to Emporis.com, who serves as the database for CTBUH. That leaves to 5333 buildings below 100m, which is 70% of the total skyscraper figure of Hong Kong.

Also, there is only one CBD in Hong Kong.

Now that I got the facts straight, there is no point in arguing. Stunning pictures, by the way.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:04 AM   #1046
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Hong Kong has 277 buildings over 150 meters, most in the world.
I'd be curious to know where shanghai ranks, and if it'd overtake HK in total buildings over 150m someday..but that's a topic for another day.

how many supertalls does HK have? Just 3 right? Two IFC, BoC, and ICC.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:09 AM   #1047
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6 ur missing the center nina and central plaza
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:12 AM   #1048
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You miss The Center, Nina Tower And Central Plaza.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:15 AM   #1049
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I'd be curious to know where shanghai ranks, and if it'd overtake HK in total buildings over 150m someday..but that's a topic for another day.

how many supertalls does HK have? Just 3 right? Two IFC, BoC, and ICC.
Shanghai is much farther behind with only 112 buildings over 150m.

And yeah, Hong Kong has 6 supertalls. One Island East comes REALLY close at 298 meters. There won't be another supertall for HK in the foreseeable future.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:18 AM   #1050
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Shanghai is much farther behind with only 112 buildings over 150m.

And yeah, Hong Kong has 6 supertalls. One Island East comes REALLY close at 298 meters. There won't be another supertall for HK in the foreseeable future.
.....it's a constant race, HK gotta stay on top especially with mainland cities rising (but imo they have a long ways to go to overtake HK)! and...are you cheering to that?
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Old July 8th, 2011, 10:01 AM   #1051
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Extremely tall skyscrapers tend to bring out the nationalist in people, as they are seen as symbols of a country's success. But actually they're more a reflection of unrestrained greed and a signal of impending financial disaster. The building of each of the four finalists signalled the bursting of the some of the biggest bubbles in history. Cheers!

Chrysler Building and Empire State Building were completed 1930-1931, following the Roaring Twenties and coinciding with the start of the decade long Great Depression.

Petronas Towers was completed in 1998 during the Asian financial crisis, which began the year earlier and ended the dominance of the so-called Asian Tiger economies. Malaysia entered its first recession for a long time that year.

Burj Khalifa - 2009 - during the global financial crisis and amid a crash in property prices in Dubai.

Is it any coincidence that the world's tallest skyscrapers are being built in China?
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Old July 8th, 2011, 10:21 AM   #1052
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lol probably coincidential but that is a very interesting piece of information.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 10:23 AM   #1053
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@Uaarkson, have you seen these?? IF you want to compare american cities, I Chicago better, not NYC.

And fyi, I have been all these cities as mentioned thus I can give my opinion.



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Old July 8th, 2011, 10:44 AM   #1054
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.....it's a constant race, HK gotta stay on top especially with mainland cities rising (but imo they have a long ways to go to overtake HK)! and...are you cheering to that?
Unless something dramatic is happening in hong kong, I don't think that glad will build another tallest. But I am very certain that the number of skyscrapers will continue to grow. It will keep its title as the city with the most skyscrapers for another few decades,

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Extremely tall skyscrapers tend to bring out the nationalist in people, as they are seen as symbols of a country's success. But actually they're more a reflection of unrestrained greed and a signal of impending financial disaster. The building of each of the four finalists signalled the bursting of the some of the biggest bubbles in history. Cheers!

Chrysler Building and Empire State Building were completed 1930-1931, following the Roaring Twenties and coinciding with the start of the decade long Great Depression.

Petronas Towers was completed in 1998 during the Asian financial crisis, which began the year earlier and ended the dominance of the so-called Asian Tiger economies. Malaysia entered its first recession for a long time that year.

Burj Khalifa - 2009 - during the global financial crisis and amid a crash in property prices in Dubai.

Is it any coincidence that the world's tallest skyscrapers are being built in China?
How about the sears and the wtc twins.?
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Old July 8th, 2011, 11:22 AM   #1055
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they didn't represent something significant, so he left it out

The actually tall skyscrapers are being built in dubai not china.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 11:29 AM   #1056
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That's not really true. There a a few 400m ones nearing completion in Dubai, and the Pentominium is getting going, but there are 500m and 600m towers starting construction in lots of Chinese cities.

I agree though that the argument was flawed and stuff was left out where it didn't fit.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:02 PM   #1057
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the argument is pretty sound and hardly mine: the credit and the will/ego to build the world's tallest buildings usually come from a bubble when there's a crazy amount of capital available - the buildings themselves are often unprofitable for a long time - ie Empire State Building. Look at Burj Khalifa - Dubai changed the name of the building after being bailed out by Abu Dhabi because the sheikhdom couldn't pay its debts after the property bubble burst.

I just focused on the four finalists but there are plenty of other examples. Groundbreaking for WTC started in 1966 following an almost two decade bull market in US stocks and the buildings opened in 1970-1972, just in time for a stock market crash - the Dow dropped 45% in the next two years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973%E2...k_market_crash

If you ignore the Burj, then the world's tallest skyscrapers are all being built in China. Look at the number of Chinese cities you've never heard of in the Supertall section
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:08 PM   #1058
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I do believe though that the ESB was entirely constructed after the market crash, and during the depression, a time when I would have thought that very little capital was available. That's really the only thing I could even try and refute, the rest I'll take your word for.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:12 PM   #1059
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don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of skyscrapers - I just think people shouldn't get too nationalistic over them....
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Old July 8th, 2011, 12:15 PM   #1060
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Oh no, they really shouldn't. It's very silly, but it's easy for me to say that because I don't love my country. Like, just not love.
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