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Old April 20th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #1
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MISC | How would you rate your city's public transport?

How would you rate your city's public transport network?


Sydney - 6.5/10.

Pros:

Commuter trains run frequently enough on most lines.
The ferry system is excellent.
The government-run buses are fairly good.
The PT system's coverage is quite good given the amount of sprawl.

Cons:

No metro system.
The light rail is abysmally slow, and expensive unless you buy a season ticket.
The commuter train system is dirty and the trains are old and often not airconditioned (that is being fixed however).
The buses in many outer suburbs are slow and infrequent.
There is no smartcard system

So, what would you rate your city's PT and why?

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Old April 20th, 2011, 07:58 PM   #2
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New York City- 9.5/10

Pros-
Almost every thing runs 24/7
Very large coverage of the city by the metro system
Very large coverage of the suburbs by the commuter rail
Every place either has bus stops or both bus stops or subway stops or even a commuter rail stop

Cons-
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Old April 20th, 2011, 10:55 PM   #3
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Hamburg - 6.5/10

Pros:
There's a subway and a commuter rail system.
Service is fairly reliable and fairly clean.
Every place in the city is covered, at least by bus.

Cons:
Rail lines have too many big curves.
Some rail lines go where hardly anyone needs them while some central districts still lack rail connections and have to rely on overcrowded bus lines instead.
Subway has a step between train and platform.
Buses sometimes depart earlier than scheduled.
No smartcard.
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Old April 21st, 2011, 12:32 AM   #4
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For Baltimore, I rank it a 3/10

Pros
1.The city has some rail transit at least
2.Free downtown bus circulator

Cons
1.Light rail and subway is useless for getting around the city, good for suburb to downtown travel
2.Very little TOD around metro and light rail stations
3.Suburban bus service is useless for most part
4.No expansion of the metro and light rail in over 10 years
5.Poor customer service of MTA
6.Light rail stations are far from neighborhoods
7.Commuter rail(MARC) runs for few times per day, no weekend service
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Old April 21st, 2011, 12:34 AM   #5
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MARC cant run often because Amtrak runs the very same route at faster speed.
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Old April 21st, 2011, 12:42 AM   #6
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MARC cant run often because Amtrak runs the very same route at faster speed.
Thats not true , look at Septa , NJT , MBTA and MNRR all run more trains along the NEC then MARC...
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Old April 21st, 2011, 04:22 AM   #7
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But theres more demand for those services in their respective cities they serve.
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Old April 21st, 2011, 04:54 AM   #8
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But theres more demand for those services in their respective cities they serve.
Maryland and Virgina are terrible at providing Regional Rail / Bus service even with the large demand.
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Old April 21st, 2011, 08:09 AM   #9
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Areas that need to be served are served by Metrorails arent they?
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Old April 21st, 2011, 09:51 AM   #10
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I'll say 7.3 out of 10 for the San Francisco Bay Area. There's lots of frequent service in San Francisco and the East Bay, but the sheer number of gaps in my regions transportation system is embarrassing. The special brand of myopia that my regions local politicians has been of no help either.
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Old April 21st, 2011, 11:34 AM   #11
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Manila

for me 4.5/10

Pros:
The city has at least 3 metro lines + 1 commuter rail, line 1 being extended to north.


Cons:
Metro lines don't have a unified ticketing system.
Line 3 (Lightrail) is inadequte to support large volume of passenger plying across a major thoroughfare.
Jeepneys and buses load/unload anywhere along the road in some areas (cause traffic build-up).
No BRT system
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Old April 21st, 2011, 10:41 PM   #12
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Porto:

Pros:
- Buses cover almost all the city
- Commuter rail trains are new and very clean.
- The metro was a good sum for transport in the city. Very clean, with good frequencies (on the main trunk).

Cons:
- There should be better schedules for all transports.
- The commuter rail network is very small
- The metro only covers the eastern part of the city and almost all times is very crowded.
- The tram system should be modernized and amplified.

So 4.5/10
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 07:11 AM   #13
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Singapore: 5/10

Pros:

-MRT is clean and generally ok maintained.
-Trains are usually frequent.
-Bus system is very extensive and fleet constantly refreshed
-Trains are time-efficient on short-to-medium distances
-Quite affordable

Cons:

-MRT is simply inadequate to the ever-increasing population, overwhelming crowds are persistent (the biggest con)
-The rail system is just not extensive enough for the city
-Lack of any faster public transit mode over larger distances - cross country train rides are pretty slow (1h+ for 30-35kms)
-Due to traffic congestion, buses can be insanely slow and like trains, crowded (3-4hrs cross country, 1.5-2hrs for CBD to outer suburbs should be expected).
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 08:11 AM   #14
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I'm fortunate to live in Hong Kong, where public transit has generally been done right. The decision to invest the MTR Corporation with property development rights (and let's be real, HK is all about the 3 Bs: builders, bankers, and Beijing) has made all the difference. The system's not perfect but it's damn good.

My rating: 9.5/10

Pros:
1. Extensive multimodal network covers all parts of the territory
2. Very frequent service on all modes
3. World's best transit-oriented development
4. Intelligent choices of mode based on area needs (light rail network out in Tuen Mun, smaller capacity MTR lines under construction on South Island, etc)
5. Preservation of historic tramway
6. Regular expansion of MRT
7. Reasonably low fares
8. Good websites and apps
9. Sensible expansion plans

Cons:
1. The MTR is still not quite extensive enough to handle rush-hour crowds
2. No overnight weekend service on the MTR (I'm not sure it's needed during the week)
3. The bus companies still don't seem to have route-finder apps
4. Compared to Spain and mainland China, rail construction is on the slow side

Still, these complaints are minuscule. It's an outstanding system.
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 09:40 AM   #15
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Budapest, Hungary: 6/10

Pros:
- Extensive network
- Very frequent service
- Clear and easy to understand informations
- Extremely good replacement bus service in cases when tram or subway is blocked (accidents, technical issues)
- 24/7 service (NB: night service has a special network, not the same as daytime)
- Frequently redesigned line structure and schedules according to passangers' demands

Cons:
- Old, extremely obsolete vehicles, average age of BKV buses is almost 20 years, most of the trams are 30-45 years old as well.
- Very obsolete tariff structure
- Few subways, only two lines and not a single meter built since 1990. Subway does not reach the suburbs, not even the outskirts of the city.
- Commuter rail service is very poor
- Network is cut into separated lined, passangers have to change lines too often (by buses we have newly created long line but tram network is even now in pieces generating a lot of forced changes)
- Trams are slow, stopping at each traffic light
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 06:37 PM   #16
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Sofia, Bulgaria: 6.5/10

Pros:
-> Extensive network
-> Constantly improving
-> Frequent service, though not always on time
-> Low fares
-> Great subway, with increasing coverage

Cons:
-> Not always on time
-> Very confusing for non-residents
-> Not optimized enough
-> Electronic ticketing only on the subway, trams and trolley buses. Buses are not added yet...
-> Some very old vehicles, especially the trams that even though are refurbished, still don't provide the needed comfort
-> No 24/7 service
-> Not enough separated lines for trams/buses/trolleys, thus their speed is pretty low


Luxembourg city, Luxembourg
8/10

Pros
-> Extensive network
-> Very organized
-> Easy to understand
-> Pretty modern
-> Cheap
-> Night buses
-> Always on time

Cons
-> While the city clearly has the potential for trams/light rail, there are only buses.
-> Infrequent service, especially on holidays/Saturday/Sunday and evenings.
-> Problematic electronic ticketing


Dundee, UK
5.5/10

Pros
-> Can't think of any, really, at least there is some sort of public transport

Cons
-> Not really modern
-> Very confusing
-> Infrequent
-> Not organized enough
-> Only buses
-> Expensive
-> Not enough coverage of the network
-> Not improving
-> No night service
-> Not always on time

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