TGV - ICE - Shinkansen - Page 5

en · October 1st, 2004, 06:41 PM

I only rode on the Shinkansen 300 and 700 "Hikari Rail Star" series because when I went this summer and used Japan Rail Pass, they don't allow you to board the Nozomi service, which uses mostly 500 series.

For the Tokaido, Sanyo lines, they seem to use the older 300 series a lot for Hikari service whereas for the JR East Shinkansen lines, they use much newer trains.

lindenthaler · October 1st, 2004, 06:57 PM

i voted for ICE, if germany had a own hsr network it ll own all other trains

ok 2nd class ice :>

a part of bord restaurant

first class

ICE 3 cockpit

ice3 outside

Poryaa · October 1st, 2004, 09:30 PM

cockpit of series700

coldstar · October 2nd, 2004, 11:59 AM

Shinkansen lineups
700 series

and the photo of its compartment

500 series

800 series

300 series

E2 series

E1 series (full double-decks)

E3 series

E4 series (full double-decks)

400 series

681 series

and good old 100 series

sdtj · October 2nd, 2004, 12:16 PM

The Shinkansen is wining by far... I want to see more European trains...

Poryaa · October 2nd, 2004, 08:10 PM

Series E4 /16cars(all double-decked) /1,634seats(the largest capacity in the world!)

Thomas I · October 5th, 2004, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eomer

TGV is 300 km/h and even 320 km/h between Avignon and Aix en Provence. Of course, this speed can be reached only on special track. (Special track are standard gauge even in japan and spain)

There are no train in the world runing faster than 220 km/h outside special track even tilting trains.

No - the Spain "ICE" S-103 runs with 350km/h between Madrid and Lleida (2005: Madrid - Barcelona)

I dont have a better picture...:

No again: The German 415-Type trains runs with 230km/h between Hamburg and Berlin - regular service begins at December 2004.

pedro · October 5th, 2004, 04:23 PM

Unfortunately the AVE S-103 Trains are still far away from commercial service. The other trains for that line Talgo/Bombardier S-102 are passing the last test before start commercial service in the Madrid-Barcelona partly opened line. The S-102 "Pato" (see picture above) will achieve a maximun speed of 330 km/h as soon as the level 2 of ERMTS is ready. Anyway the line is designed for top speeds of 350km/h.

Regards from Madrid

eomer · October 5th, 2004, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas I

No - the Spain "ICE" S-103 runs with 350km/h between Madrid and Lleida (2005: Madrid - Barcelona)

"Spain ICE" named "Velaro" will run 350 km/h...on a special track between Madrid and Lerida (even Barcelona and Perpignan). It's a spécial track.

Thomas I · October 5th, 2004, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eomer

"Spain ICE" named "Velaro" will run 350 km/h...on a special track between Madrid and Lerida (even Barcelona and Perpignan). It's a spécial track.

But with more speed than the TGV on special track.

On non-special track German ICE-T with 230km/h is the fastest service

October 12th, 2004, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Extmn

Then Korea is stupid introducing the inferior trains from France. The same shit as China who has wasted money for the unpopular Shanghai maglev, which no countries have ever put into practice for the tax concerns. Besides, they are always trying to steal the technology from Japan. If you don't like Japan then you should stop trading with them completely. It's easier for Japan not wasting money for some silly ODA and leave you 3rd world country people to die in cold.

You are a stupid racialism. We are here talking about the train, and look what did you just say? I am from the 3rd country, but I am happier than you Papa. You are cursing our people to die in cold, and you know what, you will die from the nuclear bomb. I only hear Japan that is stealing the technology from other countries. That's why American says that Japs cannot create, rather copy and manufacture.

Poryaa · October 14th, 2004, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKATJPS

You are a stupid racialism. We are here talking about the train, and look what did you just say? I am from the 3rd country, but I am happier than you Papa. You are cursing our people to die in cold, and you know what, you will die from the nuclear bomb. I only hear Japan that is stealing the technology from other countries. That's why American says that Japs cannot create, rather copy and manufacture.

Are there trains being similar to shinkansen in USA?
You stray from a conversation about trains too.
Besides I think Extmn will not be Japanese.

October 16th, 2004, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poryaa

Are there trains being similar to shinkansen in USA?
You stray from a conversation about trains too.
Besides I think Extmn will not be Japanese.

Well, I agree with you that I stray from that conversation too. I just wanted to send the message to someone who is not friendly. Yes, there are no similar trains in USA, because they don't need one. I have been living in USA for more than 12 years, where I learnd that people prefer to drive their own car to work or to travel. Back here again, countries like France, Germany, and Japan are different from USA, scarcity of land, heavy trafic in the city, etc. When I said copy, it could be anything. What I meaned is that Japan is very good at "Wrapping Up". Just go and take a look at the new model of all kinds of Japanese car, don't you think they are similar to ...? Well, there is nothing personal here, and I never thought about if Extmn is Japanese or not, and I like many things in Japan. Hope my explanation will make you understand my initial point.

Poryaa · October 17th, 2004, 10:20 PM

After such a long time TGV is suddenly growing!!

sdtj · October 18th, 2004, 04:38 AM

glickel · October 22nd, 2004, 05:47 PM

Does anyone have a good ICE High speed rail map? Mostly I want to know where the dedicated HSR tracks are.

glickel · October 22nd, 2004, 05:48 PM

Does anyone have a good ICE High speed rail map? Mostly I want to know where the dedicated HSR tracks are or will be.

Mike · October 22nd, 2004, 11:21 PM

High speed tracks

Finished 1991, 250km/h
Finished 1998, 250km/h
Finished 2002, 300km/h
Under construction, 300km/h

October 25th, 2004, 04:09 AM

I've been on ICE and TGV, and found the TGV most impressive from an outright speed perspective. It was a little over two hours from Paris to Lyon. I'm from Australia, and it's a ten hour+ train trip from Sydney to Melbourne (about the same distance). And nobody travels from Syd to Melb on a train. Like Americans, Australians fly and drive everywhere. It's such a shame that Australia is so backward in its views on public transport. The topography and vast distances between major, concentrated population sources makes it ideal for high speed trains.

ICE was much more luxurious though, and had that seamless, efficient German feel - like a Mercedes. Germans are so geeky, and yet so undeniably cool.

glickel · October 25th, 2004, 04:14 PM

Thanks, Mike.

View Poll Results: choose your train
French TGV	148	29.13%
German ICE	115	22.64%
Japanese Shinkansen	245	48.23%
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October 1st, 2004, 06:57 PM	#82
lindenthaler Free Scotland! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ケルン大聖堂 Posts: 4,312	i voted for ICE, if germany had a own hsr network it ll own all other trains ok 2nd class ice :> a part of bord restaurant first class ICE 3 cockpit ice3 outside __________________ inform You about the development in Belgrade BEOBUILD

October 2nd, 2004, 12:16 PM	#85
sdtj -°- America's Finest -°- Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,026	The Shinkansen is wining by far... I want to see more European trains... __________________ Wonder comes from the awareness of ignorance. El peor enemigo de la verdad no es la mentira, sino la estupidez. Lo tengo todo, por no querer mas nada..

October 18th, 2004, 04:38 AM	#95
sdtj -°- America's Finest -°- Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,026	__________________ Wonder comes from the awareness of ignorance. El peor enemigo de la verdad no es la mentira, sino la estupidez. Lo tengo todo, por no querer mas nada..

October 22nd, 2004, 05:47 PM	#96
glickel Da T Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 24	Does anyone have a good ICE High speed rail map? Mostly I want to know where the dedicated HSR tracks are. __________________ World Champion Boston Red Sox

October 1st, 2004, 06:41 PM	#81
en Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 156	I only rode on the Shinkansen 300 and 700 "Hikari Rail Star" series because when I went this summer and used Japan Rail Pass, they don't allow you to board the Nozomi service, which uses mostly 500 series. For the Tokaido, Sanyo lines, they seem to use the older 300 series a lot for Hikari service whereas for the JR East Shinkansen lines, they use much newer trains.

October 1st, 2004, 09:30 PM	#83
Poryaa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 99	cockpit of series700

October 2nd, 2004, 11:59 AM	#84
coldstar Tears of Buddha Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 西蔵 & غزة Posts: 1,602	Shinkansen lineups 700 series and the photo of its compartment 500 series 800 series 300 series E2 series E1 series (full double-decks) E3 series E4 series (full double-decks) 400 series 681 series and good old 100 series

October 2nd, 2004, 08:10 PM	#86
Poryaa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 99	Series E4 /16cars(all double-decked) /1,634seats(the largest capacity in the world!)

October 5th, 2004, 04:23 PM	#88
pedro Zaragozano Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Zaragoza Posts: 6,274	Unfortunately the AVE S-103 Trains are still far away from commercial service. The other trains for that line Talgo/Bombardier S-102 are passing the last test before start commercial service in the Madrid-Barcelona partly opened line. The S-102 "Pato" (see picture above) will achieve a maximun speed of 330 km/h as soon as the level 2 of ERMTS is ready. Anyway the line is designed for top speeds of 350km/h. Regards from Madrid

October 17th, 2004, 10:20 PM	#94
Poryaa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 99	After such a long time TGV is suddenly growing!!

October 22nd, 2004, 05:48 PM	#97
glickel Da T Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 24	Does anyone have a good ICE High speed rail map? Mostly I want to know where the dedicated HSR tracks are or will be. __________________ World Champion Boston Red Sox

October 22nd, 2004, 11:21 PM	#98
Mike Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 600	High speed tracks Finished 1991, 250km/h Finished 1998, 250km/h Finished 2002, 300km/h Under construction, 300km/h

October 25th, 2004, 04:09 AM	#99
Osborne Guest Posts: n/a	I've been on ICE and TGV, and found the TGV most impressive from an outright speed perspective. It was a little over two hours from Paris to Lyon. I'm from Australia, and it's a ten hour+ train trip from Sydney to Melbourne (about the same distance). And nobody travels from Syd to Melb on a train. Like Americans, Australians fly and drive everywhere. It's such a shame that Australia is so backward in its views on public transport. The topography and vast distances between major, concentrated population sources makes it ideal for high speed trains. ICE was much more luxurious though, and had that seamless, efficient German feel - like a Mercedes. Germans are so geeky, and yet so undeniably cool.

October 25th, 2004, 04:14 PM	#100
glickel Da T Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 24	Thanks, Mike. __________________ World Champion Boston Red Sox

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