85 Harbour Street (WaterPark Place III) | U/C | 30 st | 129 m | South Core

Travis007 · May 7th, 2011, 03:49 PM

Posted by DSC on UT:

Quote:

85 Harbour Street is opposite 90 Harbour...

Application: Zoning Review Status: Not Started

Location: 85 HARBOUR ST
TORONTO ON

Ward 28: Toronto Centre-Rosedale

Application#: 11 188520 ZPR 00 ZR Accepted Date: May 5, 2011

Project: Non-Residential Building New Building

Description: Zoning review for new 30 storey mixed use building with retail at ground floor and office above.

Mollywood · May 7th, 2011, 07:21 PM

More retail along the waterfront makes me happy. (and another parking lot bites the dust

)

Travis007 · May 14th, 2011, 06:26 AM

Posted by Automation Gallery on UT:

Quote:

85 HARBOUR ST

Site Plan Approval 11 194925 STE 28 SA Ward 28
- Tor & E.York May 13, 2011 --- --- --- ---

Site Plan Approval for Waterpark Phase III site - linked to previous approvals and existing development at 10-20 Bay St. - proposing office tower, 30 storeys, 128.55m at highest point - approximately 83,515 sq.m- would join into the Phase I and II buildings to the east

***Taller, Better*** · May 14th, 2011, 09:01 AM

Well, if it is like the other Waterpark Places, I'm guessing this may be another dull looking glass tower.

Marcanadian · May 14th, 2011, 06:59 PM

They remind me of the World Financial Center buildings in NYC. That being said, I think that design trend has come and gone, so I don't expect it to look the same.

Filip · June 16th, 2011, 10:30 PM

My sources tell me that Oxford is imminently about to sign most of the space in this tower to a major financial tenant.

I did some digging earlier, found a marketing video and took a few screenshots of the tower for your viewing pleasure. This complex, no matter how ordinary, will do wonders at patching up a colossal eyesore of a parking lot and the more jobs brought to the waterfront the better for Toronto.

http://www.arcestra.com/fileDl/fetch...20258974536474

AndrewJM3D · June 16th, 2011, 10:54 PM

Thanks for the find. That is the most boring design to hit the office market yet.

Marcanadian · June 16th, 2011, 11:00 PM

Between this and 501 Yonge, I'm losing faith in developers who build here.

Filip · June 16th, 2011, 11:06 PM

I quite like the tower actually... Unobtrusive, inoffensive and provides the space for loads of high paying jobs in downtown Toronto. The waterfront location is also great, given how desolate that stretch of Queen's Quay is. It is also the ugliest parking lot we have in the city imo.

Marcanadian · June 16th, 2011, 11:22 PM

Second ugliest to me, behind the one at Queen and Shuter. That one is ripe for a massive development.

Filip · June 16th, 2011, 11:28 PM

My problem with the Queen's Quay parking lot and what's directly behind it. You stand on QQ looking north and what do you see? A sea of parking, a highway, some sad, dying trees poking about, a decrepit building and then suddenly the skyline. It's underwhelming.

Mercenary · June 17th, 2011, 02:47 AM

Man, why only 30 stories?

That is prime real-estate, atleast make it an icon. I say 60 stories. That would be a great addition to the skyline.

MattToronto · June 17th, 2011, 05:01 AM

Green roof is a nice touch. I agree with Filip. Nothing too crazy but fills in a disastrous parking lot.

Filip · June 17th, 2011, 05:52 AM

As mentioned earlier on UT; Oxford has been in advanced negotiation with a 'major financial institution' who is seeking to move back office operations from the burbs back into the downtown core. The reason why this office tower is so short and unimpressive is because they asked for a budget building with no frills.

Hey, it might not be 45 Bay, it might not be Scotia Plaza but this still unnamed financial institution will be repatriating jobs back into the downtown core that could have stayed in the 905.

There is a growing trend in Toronto where notable companies established in the 905 want to go downtown. Their workforce pretty much demands it. It's a great movement that could see a reverse of the 90s trend of suburban flight. What we might see is a booming downtown office market with a dying suburban one. I for one won't cry for their loss.

isaidso · June 18th, 2011, 08:18 AM

At least it's office.

large · June 18th, 2011, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isaidso

At least it's office.

That's the key, this isn't Miami, people need a reason other than the weather to be in downtown Toronto, so jobs is good.

AndrewJM3D · June 19th, 2011, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by large

That's the key, this isn't Miami, people need a reason other than the weather to be in downtown Toronto, so jobs is good.

Theatre district, shopping, nightlife, restaurants, sports, education. Is that not enough?

MattToronto · June 19th, 2011, 10:14 PM

Not if you have to drive in. Offices give an excuse to stay and go out. Just look at all the road closures today...

AndrewJM3D · June 20th, 2011, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattToronto

Not if you have to drive in. Offices give an excuse to stay and go out. Just look at all the road closures today...

Shut up RobFordMattToronto

***Taller, Better*** · June 21st, 2011, 07:07 PM

You could fit about ten Matts into the body of one Rub!

Plus, he'd have to have a full frontal lobotomy, so it is just not worth it!

May 14th, 2011, 09:01 AM	#4
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,813 Likes (Received): 302	Well, if it is like the other Waterpark Places, I'm guessing this may be another dull looking glass tower. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

May 14th, 2011, 06:59 PM	#5
Marcanadian Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,660 Likes (Received): 55	They remind me of the World Financial Center buildings in NYC. That being said, I think that design trend has come and gone, so I don't expect it to look the same. __________________ Toronto - Southwest England - London - Chicago - Vancouver - Banff National Park - Montréal - Ottawa

June 16th, 2011, 10:54 PM	#7
AndrewJM3D Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,014 Likes (Received): 14	Thanks for the find. That is the most boring design to hit the office market yet. __________________ Rob Ford October 8th 2010- ‘I will assure you that services will not be cut, guaranteed’

June 16th, 2011, 11:00 PM	#8
Marcanadian Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,660 Likes (Received): 55	Between this and 501 Yonge, I'm losing faith in developers who build here. __________________ Toronto - Southwest England - London - Chicago - Vancouver - Banff National Park - Montréal - Ottawa

June 16th, 2011, 11:22 PM	#10
Marcanadian Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,660 Likes (Received): 55	Second ugliest to me, behind the one at Queen and Shuter. That one is ripe for a massive development. __________________ Toronto - Southwest England - London - Chicago - Vancouver - Banff National Park - Montréal - Ottawa

May 7th, 2011, 07:21 PM	#2
Mollywood Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,026 Likes (Received): 14	More retail along the waterfront makes me happy. (and another parking lot bites the dust )

June 16th, 2011, 10:30 PM	#6
Filip Torontonian 4ever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,257 Likes (Received): 16	My sources tell me that Oxford is imminently about to sign most of the space in this tower to a major financial tenant. I did some digging earlier, found a marketing video and took a few screenshots of the tower for your viewing pleasure. This complex, no matter how ordinary, will do wonders at patching up a colossal eyesore of a parking lot and the more jobs brought to the waterfront the better for Toronto. http://www.arcestra.com/fileDl/fetch...20258974536474

June 16th, 2011, 11:06 PM	#9
Filip Torontonian 4ever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,257 Likes (Received): 16	I quite like the tower actually... Unobtrusive, inoffensive and provides the space for loads of high paying jobs in downtown Toronto. The waterfront location is also great, given how desolate that stretch of Queen's Quay is. It is also the ugliest parking lot we have in the city imo.

June 16th, 2011, 11:28 PM	#11
Filip Torontonian 4ever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,257 Likes (Received): 16	My problem with the Queen's Quay parking lot and what's directly behind it. You stand on QQ looking north and what do you see? A sea of parking, a highway, some sad, dying trees poking about, a decrepit building and then suddenly the skyline. It's underwhelming.

June 17th, 2011, 02:47 AM	#12
Mercenary Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,225 Likes (Received): 8	Man, why only 30 stories? That is prime real-estate, atleast make it an icon. I say 60 stories. That would be a great addition to the skyline.

June 17th, 2011, 05:01 AM	#13
MattToronto Less is More Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,807 Likes (Received): 0	Green roof is a nice touch. I agree with Filip. Nothing too crazy but fills in a disastrous parking lot. __________________ Industrial Designer with a love of Architecture.

June 17th, 2011, 05:52 AM	#14
Filip Torontonian 4ever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,257 Likes (Received): 16	As mentioned earlier on UT; Oxford has been in advanced negotiation with a 'major financial institution' who is seeking to move back office operations from the burbs back into the downtown core. The reason why this office tower is so short and unimpressive is because they asked for a budget building with no frills. Hey, it might not be 45 Bay, it might not be Scotia Plaza but this still unnamed financial institution will be repatriating jobs back into the downtown core that could have stayed in the 905. There is a growing trend in Toronto where notable companies established in the 905 want to go downtown. Their workforce pretty much demands it. It's a great movement that could see a reverse of the 90s trend of suburban flight. What we might see is a booming downtown office market with a dying suburban one. I for one won't cry for their loss.

June 18th, 2011, 08:18 AM	#15
isaidso the new republic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The United Provinces of America Posts: 18,615 Likes (Received): 332	At least it's office. __________________ World's 1st Baseball Game: June 4th, 1838, Beachville, Ontario, Canada North America's Oldest Pro Football Teams: Toronto Argonauts (1873) and Hamilton Tiger Cats (1869) I started my first photo thread documenting a recent trip to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Have a peek: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=724898

June 19th, 2011, 10:14 PM	#18
MattToronto Less is More Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,807 Likes (Received): 0	Not if you have to drive in. Offices give an excuse to stay and go out. Just look at all the road closures today... __________________ Industrial Designer with a love of Architecture.

June 21st, 2011, 07:07 PM	#20
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,813 Likes (Received): 302	You could fit about ten Matts into the body of one Rub! Plus, he'd have to have a full frontal lobotomy, so it is just not worth it! __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

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