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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:45 AM   #201
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Frankfurt had at least thirty years of building a skyline while Moscow started their majesty in like 2002. So who do you think has a "head start" and fast progress?
not true. moscow started building skyscrapers in the 1950s. some of the most famous examples of skyscraper architecture are coming from the 50s and 60s. the latest buildings are just the new generation of highrise building in moscow.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 02:32 PM   #202
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exactly! that's one reason why i'm not that impressed with london although it boasts some of the most architecturally superior skyscrapers in Europe. I just think they don't complement the city as a whole. paris is a different story though, it has made a good cluster of skyscrapers without much negtive effects to its old historic architectures nearby. i just think that european cities do not need massive skylines, they're great without them...
That was the attitude in London until the eighties and nineties.

Once upon a time "London skyline" meant something. ONLY landmark buildings were synonymous with that concept .

I grew up with this "rising out of the river" logo appearing in various programs on my TV:


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When I went to London for the first time THAT's what I wanted to see with my own eyes.

But alas, all these are completely gone from the horizon submerged into an ocean of glass and steel.

As a result, London skyline as a whole (not just buildings individually) is not iconic anymore
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:41 PM   #203
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As a result, London skyline as a whole (not just buildings individually) is not iconic anymore
Disagree, Canary Wharf and The City skylines are some of the most recognizable and iconic skylines in Europe.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 01:34 AM   #204
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Old June 26th, 2011, 08:31 AM   #205
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As a result, London skyline as a whole (not just buildings individually) is not iconic anymore
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Disagree, Canary Wharf and The City skylines are some of the most recognizable and iconic skylines in Europe.
maybe "iconic" isn't the right word for it... i think london's skyline is recognizable.. but not impressive! mainly because of ruining its old-world charm.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #206
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That was the attitude in London until the eighties and nineties.

Once upon a time "London skyline" meant something. ONLY landmark buildings were synonymous with that concept .

I grew up with this "rising out of the river" logo appearing in various programs on my TV:


by poderes unidos

When I went to London for the first time THAT's what I wanted to see with my own eyes.

But alas, all these are completely gone from the horizon submerged into an ocean of glass and steel.

As a result, London skyline as a whole (not just buildings individually) is not iconic anymore
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Your "London skyline" is just St. Paul's cathedral. Only that. Insufficient for a city of that size. All other buildings that can be seen on the picture are only visible if you're standing on the riverbank or one of the bridges. They are not dominant from the great distance, and the point of "skyline" is that it's recognisable and impressive even many miles away.
Besides, even during Victorian Era, London was building the most modern buildings and used newest technologies in construction. Yes, the styles were "revival", but it was nevertheless contemporary architecture. So don't whine how London is destroying her urban fabric. London is going boldly forward, like she always did.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #207
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Stunning picture of Rotterdam!

I think the Rotterdam and Den Haag area is going to be so impressive in the future. You will be able to see the two nice skylines ver near each other.
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maybe "iconic" isn't the right word for it... i think london's skyline is recognizable.. but not impressive! mainly because of ruining its old-world charm.
First of all London is not Rome or Anthem. London is famous for it's classic + modern (mixed) architecture. Second of all being a financial centre of the world i reckon London should build much more high standard "quality" skyscrapers in it's financial districts in order to be seen as a genuine Alpha++ world city that plays a huge role on the global scale. ATM i find it's skyline sort of inferior in terms of both quantity and density. I am not saying London should be like Dubai or Shanghai but it still needs to construct more highrises in order to shape it's massive skyline. On the other hand, Frankfurt cluster looks fantastic but it needs supertalls. Paris has great density but they look rather short. Without a doubt Moscow skyline is so promising and has a lot of potential to dominate all the Europe's tallest buildings. Other cities such as Istanbul, Rotterdam, Warsaw, Milano etc are also working hard and some of them already have good looking skylines.
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I agree with most of it except that Frankfurt needs supertalls. I would appreciate more 200+ towers to generate a higher density, mostly bewtween the messe quarter and the bankcluster. after that a spertall would fit perfectly but not now.
personally I guess that Frankfurt has got the scrapers with the highest quality in europe.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 04:46 PM   #210
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On the other hand, Frankfurt cluster looks fantastic but it needs supertalls.
Placing a supertall in this cluster right now, would let frankfurts skyline look like a silly damaged circus-tent. No thank you.
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Well then, let's build a few of those at the same time
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Old June 26th, 2011, 04:59 PM   #212
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Placing a supertall in this cluster right now, would let frankfurts skyline look like a silly damaged circus-tent. No thank you.
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balderdash. I did not say No to supertalls at all. Frankfurt needs a basis for them. Its the best and most harmonic skyline in Europe and if it want to keep this title, it would be useless to run around like a scared chicken because London builds one and Paris talks about them for ... for how long is paris talkin now? 25 Years? Frankfurt needs a basis for Supertalls to keep it's skyline harmonic. And thats what Frankfurt has to work on now - and it works on it.

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First of all London is not Rome or Anthem. London is famous for it's classic + modern (mixed) architecture. Second of all being a financial centre of the world i reckon London should build much more high standard "quality" skyscrapers in it's financial districts in order to be seen as a genuine Alpha++ world city that plays a huge role on the global scale. ATM i find it's skyline sort of inferior in terms of both quantity and density. I am not saying London should be like Dubai or Shanghai but it still needs to construct more highrises in order to shape it's massive skyline. On the other hand, Frankfurt cluster looks fantastic but it needs supertalls. Paris has great density but they look rather short. Without a doubt Moscow skyline is so promising and has a lot of potential to dominate all the Europe's tallest buildings. Other cities such as Istanbul, Rotterdam, Warsaw, Milano etc are also working hard and some of them already have good looking skylines.
i'm not saying that london shouldn't build one. i mean it's their prerogative if they choose to. but (hopefully) with proper zoning. paris' skyscrapers aren't as high and architecturally wonderful, but the clustering made it look more attractive than london. IMO.
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not true. moscow started building skyscrapers in the 1950s. some of the most famous examples of skyscraper architecture are coming from the 50s and 60s. the latest buildings are just the new generation of highrise building in moscow.
well I guess I was saying who started the modern era and how long it took them.
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Different angle of Madrid, a mix of the new with the old sckyscrapers the catedral and the royal palace.



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not actually the best, but i love it.
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Barcelona Skyline by David Chacobo, on Flickr
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wow ! the Barcelona pic looks spectacular.
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Love the dominance of Sagrada Famlia in that picture
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