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Old July 9th, 2011, 12:53 AM   #281
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lol, yeah where is moscow, istanbul & co in this outdated list ...where did you get this stuff from anyway?
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:15 AM   #282
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lol, yeah where is moscow, istanbul & co in this outdated list ...where did you get this stuff from anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dings_per_city
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:25 AM   #283
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and london doesn't have 13 completed skyscrapers either .... .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_structures

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ondon#Approved

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oh and london doesn't have 7 skyscrapers u/c ...


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please do us a favor and check the facts, before you post something next time.
Thanks buddy, your response literally cracks me up
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:27 AM   #284
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yeah, that's what I thought: wikipedia, the most unreliable source out there. this list is outdated and full of errors. it makes no sense to post wrong information here.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:29 AM   #285
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SO143: you're wrong again. london has 11 skyscrapers completed (you can not count other structures in the list!!!)

and no, riverside south is not u/c. it's on hold. and it has been on hold for ages. it isn't even clear if the project ever gets built. so far only the construction of basement levels is planned. nothing more....


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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:41 AM   #286
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Dude, what's your definition of a skyscraper? And what are you on about?
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:44 AM   #287
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my definition of a skyscraper is everybody else's definition of a skyscraper = 150m/500ft (why don't you check your list, where the 150m mark is also being used?)


btw. warsaw has 3 skyscrapers u/c. frankfurt has 3 skyscrapers u/c (and 11 completed). and don't get me started on moscow (almost 20 completed and 16 or so u/c) or istanbul (17 or 18 completed and over 20 u/c)...
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:46 AM   #288
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And what are you on about?

thanks for editing the post (not).

I don't think it is very useful to post wrong information here. thats all.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 03:02 AM   #289
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my definition of a skyscraper is everybody else's definition of a skyscraper = 150m/500ft (why don't you check your list, where the 150m mark is also being used?)
At that point i gotta say you have been misinformed again. Well, according to Google and Wiki A skyscraper is a tall, continuously habitable building. There is no official definition or height above which a building may clearly be classified as a skyscraper. Most cities define the term empirically; even a building of 80 m (260 ft) may be considered a skyscraper if it protrudes above its built environment and changes the overall skyline.. But, i am not saying this is my definition of a skyscrapers and how i define it. By using the words such as "everybody's else's" will not be determined as an excuse and which does't change any solid facts. Check this out chap this is basically how SSC defines a skyscraper.



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I don't think it is very useful to post wrong information here. thats all.
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Then may i kindly suggest, please make your own reliable lists and post them here so the rest of us can figure out absolute genuine info


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btw. warsaw has 3 skyscrapers u/c. frankfurt has 3 skyscrapers u/c (and 11 completed). and don't get me started on moscow (almost 20 completed and 16 or so u/c) or istanbul (17 or 18 completed and over 20 u/c)...
I will take your list in a serious way i will find out about it later on and i do appreciate for your contribution.

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Old July 9th, 2011, 03:12 AM   #290
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oh please...if you have to quote something from wikipedia again (lol), do it properly - this is also from the same text you quoted:

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Skyscraper and supertall

The Emporis Standards Committee defines a high-rise building as "a multi-storey structure between 35–100 metres tall, or a building of unknown height from 12–39 floors"[4] and a skyscraper as "a multi-storey building whose architectural height is at least 100 metres."[5] Some structural engineers define a highrise as any vertical construction for which wind is a more significant load factor than earthquake or weight. Note that this criterion fits not only high-rises but some other tall structures, such as towers.

The word skyscraper often carries a connotation of pride and achievement. The skyscraper, in name and social function, is a modern expression of the age-old symbol of the world center or axis mundi: a pillar that connects earth to heaven and the four compass directions to one another.[6]

A loose convention of some in the United States and Europe draws the lower limit of a skyscraper at 150 metres (~500 ft).[7] A skyscraper taller than 300 meters (~1000 ft) is sometimes referred to as supertall.


here is another source from your beloved wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...st_skyscrapers


I can't believe I have to discuss this now.

The 150m/500ft mark has widely been accepted as the skyscraper definition (also in this forum, even though SSC had to adopt a different system to accomodate all projects). The lack of your knowledge about that just proves how little you know about skyscrapers. For god's sake everybody here will tell you that the 150m/500ft mark is the most common definition of a skyscraper here ...gee ...

Honestly, I refuse to discuss it further with you. It's like talking to a child. Sorry man, don't take it personal.
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SO143: I give up. Peace.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 03:18 AM   #292
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HD, Wikipedia has got aspects of this wrong. There aren't 13 skyscrapers in London completed, there are 13 skyscrapers in the UK that are completed, so yes, wikipedia has gone wrong there.

But the number of U/C buildings is up to date, and actually, Riverside south isnt on hold at all, they are building up to ground level, and then, hopefully, will build the rest of the tower.

Also, to my knowledge, London is the fastest growing skyline in the EU at the moment, which im pretty sure you can quote me on, and is building far more 150+m skyscrapers that Warsaw and Frankfurt etc...

Hope this helps
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Number of 150m+ buildings in Paris

1.Tour First 231 m
2.Tour Maine Montparnasse 210 m
3.Tour Total 187 m
4.Tour T1 185 m
5.Tour Areva 184 m
6.Tour Granite 183 m
7.Tour Gan 179 m
8.Tour Alicante 167 m
9.Tour Chassagne 167 m
10.Tour EDF m
11.C쐕r Dfense 161 m
12.Tour Adria 155 m
13.Tour ge 155 m
14.Tour Ariane 152 m



Number of 150m+ buildings in London

1.One Canada Square 235 m
2.Heron Tower 230 m
3.8 Canada Square 200 m
4.25 Canada Square 200 m
5.Tower 42 183 m
6.The Gherkin 180 m
7.BT Tower 177 m
8.Broadgate Tower 161 m
9.One Churchchill Place 156 m
10.25 Bank Street 153 m
11.40 Bank Street 153 m
12.10 Upper Bank Street 151 m



Number of 150m+ buildings in Frankfurt

1.Commerzbank Tower 259 m
2.Messeturm 257 m
3.Westendstrae 208 m
4.Maintower 200 m
5.Trianon 186 m
6.Opernturm 170 m
7.Silver Tower 166 m
8.Plaza Bro Center 159 m
9.Deutsche Bank Twin Towers I 155 m
10.Deutsche Bank Twin Towers II 155 m
11.Skyper 154 m



Number of 150m+ buildings in Moscow = 21

Number of 150m+ buildings in Warsaw = 7

Conclusion, Moscow takes the crown (Did i miss some towers in the list?)
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Old July 9th, 2011, 04:18 AM   #294
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and what would the buildings be in Moscow, and Istanbul?
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Old July 9th, 2011, 02:11 PM   #295
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Guys, I don't think the best European skyline has to necessary be the one with more towers. I believe that Frankfurt is on top, because they are centrally located and they form a nice cluster all together. There are not many European cities which can have skyscrapers in the city proper because of historical reasons, with exception of Frankfurt, Warsaw, Rotterdam, Milan and all the cities which were severely destroyed during WW2. London has many towers and forms nice little clusters here and there, bit in the city proper there are so far only 3 towers which form a little cluster. the mayor cluster is not centrally located. Paris with Montparnasse exception it's all in La Defense. Moscow looks really good but I was not there so not sure how it looks like in real and where it is located.
Anyway all the mentioned cities have a more or less decent skyline but Frankfurt is the winner for me because of the density because they form a real cluster and because they look nice and not so boxy like all rest of the cities
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fixed.

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Number of 150m+ buildings in Frankfurt

1.Commerzbank Tower 259 m
2.Messeturm 257 m
3.Westendstrae 208 m
4. Tower 185 200 m (finished just recently)
5.Maintower 200 m
6.Trianon 186 m
7.Opernturm 170 m
8.Silver Tower 166 m
9.Plaza Bro Center 159 m
10.Deutsche Bank Twin Towers I 155 m
11.Deutsche Bank Twin Towers II 155 m
12.Skyper 154 m
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankfu...n/photostream/

So Frankfurt's on par with London for now.

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yeah, but the skyscrapers in Frankfurt have superior design and quality.
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1 İstanbul Sapphire 261 m
= 2 Anthill Residence 1 210 m
= 2 Anthill Residence 2 210 m
4 İşbank Kulesi 1 181 m
5 Varyap Meridian Grand Tower 2 180 m
6 Şişli Plaza 170
= 7 Tekstilkent Plaza 1 168 m
= 7 Tekstilkent Plaza 2 168 m
= 9 Selenium Twins 1 165 m
= 9 Selenium Twins 2 165 m
11 Sky Tower 1 160 m
12 Rixos Bomonti Residence 159 m
13 Akbank Tower 158 m
14 Park Arkon Residence 1 155 m
15 Trump Towers İstanbul 155 m
16 Uprise Elite 154 m
17 Szer Plaza Ritz-Carlton 154 m
18 Polat Tower Residence 153 m
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So Frankfurt's on par with London for now.
That might be true on paper, but you will get completely different feeling and scenery when you visit these cities in person, because there are more than 11 towers (with one 310m) under construction in London compared to 2 or 3 highrises in Frankfurt. I bet you will see tons of cranes flying all over London when you visit there, i didn't see that sort of massive potential in Paris or La Defense but their buildings are also quality and look clean too just like many other European skyscrapers.

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yeah, but the skyscrapers in Frankfurt have superior design and quality.
I believe no skyscraper in Frankfurt is as iconic as The Gherkin which had been filmed in many Harry Potter and other Hollywood movies. Although it is not a supertall, it is definitely one of the world's most recognizable skyscrapers among other world's greatest American, Arab and Asian ones. Besides, it is an example of a modern environmentally friendly skyscraper and it had been voted for the best cladding and design in many SSC threads. I find Commerzbank in Frankfurt looks so chunky, but i like towers in Paris because they have good cladding and design. Ohh but The Pinnacle and The Shard will also become new iconic towers for London.

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